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  • sfpcservice
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 1879

    Rifle beauty contest....

    So in the course of a discussion on "assault weapons" I had with a couple people who are not really on either side of the gun debate; I showed them 2 pictures:

    Picture 1: M-14



    Picture 2: M-4



    I asked them to pick "the most deadly rifle" and they both picked the M-4. no real surprise here, I was just fascinated by the experiment. I then informed each that the M-14 fires a larger round, can shoot just as fast and hold just as many bullets in it's "assault clip".

    On another note: I have made a couple people who are either neutral or anti stop in their tracks using the "civil liberties" approach. I was asked why I wouldn't support a ban and my reply was "I think we have to be very cautious when we enter the territory of taking away civil liberties from the masses based on the abuses of that liberty by the few. If this was the 1st, 4th, or 5th amendment in question it would never have gotten as far as the attacks on the 2nd has." Then I explained that the bill or rights was at first considered unnecessary because everyone knew those rights descended from God to each individual and therefore could not be taken. However, after consideration of human nature they decided to codify those rights into law as what we know as "the bill of rights" so that no one group that didn't value a particular right could take it away from another group who did value it.

    My point is, as has been stated here many times; it's a matter of education, and the key to educating is connecting with your audience effectively.
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    k1dude
    I need a LIFE!!
    • May 2009
    • 13678

    Originally posted by sfpcservice
    "I think we have to be very cautious when we enter the territory of taking away civil liberties from the masses based on the abuses of that liberty by the few. If this was the 1st, 4th, or 5th amendment in question it would never have gotten as far as the attacks on the 2nd has." Then I explained that the bill or rights was at first considered unnecessary because everyone knew those rights descended from God to each individual and therefore could not be taken. However, after consideration of human nature they decided to codify those rights into law as what we know as "the bill of rights" so that no one group that didn't value a particular right could take it away from another group who did value it."
    Very eloquent. I have to file that one away for further use.
    "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain." - Sir Winston Churchill

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    • #3
      spetsnaz
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2010
      • 1502

      wow full auto m4 rifle. isnt that illegal

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      • #4
        choprzrul
        Calguns Addict
        • Oct 2009
        • 6544

        Rifle Beauty Contest...


        Originally posted by sfpcservice

        WINNER !!!

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        • #5
          Scott Connors
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2006
          • 879

          Uh...isn't that depiction of the M4 actually a .22 lookalike that Colt markets?
          "If a person who indulges in gluttony is a glutton, and a person who commits a felony is a felon, then God is an iron."--Spider Robinson.
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          • #6
            enamoro
            Junior Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 63

            ^^^This. Which actually makes OP'S point even stronger.
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            • #7
              Peter.Steele
              Calguns Addict
              • Oct 2010
              • 7351

              Originally posted by spetsnaz
              wow full auto m4 rifle. isnt that illegal


              Nope. It's a semi-auto .22. That M-14 on the other hand ... that's definitely class III.
              Last edited by Peter.Steele; 01-20-2013, 5:37 PM. Reason: Corrected a typo
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              • #8
                IVC
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jul 2010
                • 17594

                How can M-14 be so deadly? It doesn't have a pistol grip so it's not suitable for spray-shooting from the hip!
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                • #9
                  PEBKAC
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 1026

                  Originally posted by Peter.Steele
                  Nope. It's a semi-auto .22. That M-15 on the other hand ... that's definitely class III.
                  I could be wrong but there are some pixels on that picture that could, by virtue of their position with regards to the rest of the components, indicate the presence of a "happy hole". It's faint but definitely visible.
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                  Originally posted by 7x57
                  Plus, we can check out each other's hardware. Who says we can't find common ground?
                  Originally posted by hoffmang
                  Soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box. Use in that order.
                  Originally posted by ar15barrels
                  You need to grow a full beard and move out into the woods before you can be a full fledged member of the surplus rifle long range shooting community.

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                  • #10
                    Peter.Steele
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 7351

                    Originally posted by PEBKAC
                    I could be wrong but there are some pixels on that picture that could, by virtue of their position with regards to the rest of the components, indicate the presence of a "happy hole". It's faint but definitely visible.


                    Look at the URL of the picture. Look at the details of the picture. Then find a store online that's selling the Colt .22 cal M4. Compare and contrast.
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                    • #11
                      PEBKAC
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 1026

                      Originally posted by Peter.Steele
                      Look at the URL of the picture. Look at the details of the picture. Then find a store online that's selling the Colt .22 cal M4. Compare and contrast.
                      Ah, I see what you're talking about.

                      I stand corrected.
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                      Originally posted by 7x57
                      Plus, we can check out each other's hardware. Who says we can't find common ground?
                      Originally posted by hoffmang
                      Soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box. Use in that order.
                      Originally posted by ar15barrels
                      You need to grow a full beard and move out into the woods before you can be a full fledged member of the surplus rifle long range shooting community.

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                      • #12
                        Springfield45
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 2426

                        That's funny. I have pictures up at work similar to the two you have and asked people witch they thought was more powerful or deadly. I got the same answer as you did.

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