Executive Orders for Gun Control: From Bidens Mouth; Biden Committee

[cfm117]

"My relevancy will be recognized!"

[lavey29]

Not sure if it's been said yet but Biden has been known to say some pretty stupid things.

O said it weeks ago after the shooting when he said he would use every power his office holds to take action (summary from memory). He knows congress will be slow and he will start the train rolling himself and follow up with some campaigning around the country and drum up support.

[Capt.Dunsel]

For those of you that do not believe google Executive Order #13603 signed by Obama on March 16, 2012.

Get ready.

[Baconator]

For those of you that do not believe google Executive Order #13603 signed by Obama on March 16, 2012.

Get ready.

Yup

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowell/2012/04/29/obamas-plan-to-seize-control-of-our-economy-and-our-lives/2/

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[Tincon]

Do you not think this current admin will not circumvent the rules in some way shape or form? Did a bunch of illegals just become citizens just in time to vote before the election thanks to a EO? Did congress have any recourse or try and stop it?

I have been saying weeks and weeks back that EO would be used because he knows the legislation will be tied up in congress and will not fly most likely especially in the house. Everyone mostly laughed and said no way. Some things will get passed like the gun show loop holes and improved mental health screening, mandatory wait periods etc...maybe even the 10 round mags may fly but to get the complete ban he wants he will tighten the screws with EO and bring all sorts of angles into play such as the treaty that I guarrantee will be signed by the U.S. as soon as Kerry is sworn in and crosses the T's on it for O.

Well there is a major problem with your scenario that becomes pretty obvious if you think it through. If Obama decides to unilaterally create some "legislation" either through an EO or treaty, which criminalizes conduct, what happens next? I suppose he might get the ATF to come arrest you, and then lets assume you get taken to jail. Well at that point you are going to end up before a federal judge. I know quite a few of those guys, and guess what, they don't allow trials for laws that don't actually exist. If you think they do, you are living in a distopian fantasy world. So you are gonna get kicked loose, and almost certainly with a court order from a federal judge for the return of your lawfully possessed property.

Now I suppose they could just start holding everyone without trial in FEMA camps or whatever, but at that point whatever EO or treaty might exist is hardly relevant. So maybe take off the , take a deep breath, have a beer, and try to relax.

[Capt.Dunsel]

Tincon "Now I suppose they could just start holding everyone without trial in FEMA camps or whatever, but at that point whatever EO or treaty might exist is hardly relevant. So maybe take off the , take a deep breath, have a beer, and try to relax."

Take a look at EO # 13603 I mention before , no tinfoil hat needed .

[bubbapug1]

I think its very telling that the white house today saw fit to defend Piers Morgan's rant about gun control as his 1st amendment right, and didn't even note that his rants affected our 2A rights.

Right there one can see a massive blindspot in Obama's world view.

This facist in liberals clothing wants nothing less than total submission of the independently minded folk who used to comprise the better aspects of America. Its now the sheeple and career challenged who will inherit the earth, or at least our bank accounts and firearms.

Its Russia all over again, only with a less violent tinge...for now, but in time things will get ugly I am sure.

[Tincon]

Take a look at EO # 13603 I mention before , no tinfoil hat needed .

Please explain how that EO creates a new category of criminal conduct. Seems to me that it is much closer to a clarification of his position as commander in chief and what role he will play in a national emergency. Alarming perhaps, but not legislation. There are some bright lines in the constitution, this isn't one of them, although there certainly could be several constitutional challenges if he actually followed through on that order. That's a world apart from creating an entirely new criminal law.

[gazzavc]

Obama has apparently been considering telling the BATFE to re-classify semi-automatics as automatic weapons under the NFA - effectively banning them. And yes, I'm playing a little loose with the terminology and I'm no legal expert so maybe it's not the NFA - but I think it is.

I think that may lead to some very unintended consequences.

Think for a moment, how many parts kits, conversion kits, tubes, 80% recievers are out there in circulation, and have been for years and years

Now....

If semi-auto's are re-classified as NFA weapons, and the penalties for having or possessing an un-registered NFA semi-auto weapon are the same as having an un-registered full-auto weapon I think there will be a huge amount of un-registered machine guns out there, as people are going to think if the penalties are the same, I might as well have the full auto hidden away as opposed to the semi.

Just an opinion, YMMV

Gaz

[chip3757]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ufcfan83
This guy seems pretty upset about it.
(link below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aorMJoMDN-Q

Link not working, do you have a title I can search to pull up on youtube

[dawgcasa]

Obama says at this moment he can use EO

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-determined-act-against-gun-violence-biden-164128551.html

Ive said it all along, they can use the Patriot Act to go around Congress. Obama simply doesnt care about the rule of law or procedures and is going for broke right now.

As Obama told the Russians prior to the election, he'll "have more flexibility" to implement his agenda after being elected to a 2nd term when he no longer needs to appeal to left leaning moderates and independents. He's going to swing hard left now and do anything he can to cause the Republican Party to degenerate into internal strife, dysfunction, fighting, and public displays of extremism in an attempt to regain the House in 2014. His goal in these cliff/deficit negotiations is NOT to resolve the budget dilemma, it's to bruise the image of the Republican Party so badly that in 2014 he gets Pelosi back into the Speakership, then have two years to REALLY execute his agenda completely unfettered, and set the groundwork for the next Democratic presidential nominee in 2016. It's all about power and the long view of 'change'. EOs? You haven't seen nothing yet if Obama gets that to play out.

[jacques]

If anything like the trend in 94, after sneaking the AWB through, the dems lost a lot of seats when people woke up and realized what had just happened. They should not take the vote of gun owners lightly. They will loose in the long run because we are right and they are wrong.

It will be an interesting month to see what actually happens and the resulting backlash of the people. People are awake this time around.

[donw]

IMO, appointing joe biden to anything is a big mistake...being the mental midget he really is, will finally come out...

[movie zombie]

precedent re executive order geared at gun control has already been set:

"The president probably needs new legislation to reinstate a ban on the sale of military-style assault weapons, stop the sale of high-capacity ammunition clips, and require background checks on all gun buyers.

But he has wide authority to use gun laws already on the books as the basis for regulations or executive orders strengthening gun enforcement.

There's ample precedent. After a mass school shooting in Stockton, California, in 1989, George H.W. Bush issued an executive order, pursuant to the 1968 Gun Control Act, that banned imports of certain assault weapons unless used for sporting purposes. Years later, Bill Clinton by executive order banned imports of almost five dozen different assault weapons that had been modified to get through that "sporting purposes" exemption. President Obama could go even further.

To take another example, the National Firearms Act of 1934 gives a president broad powers to oversee gun dealers. By executive order, the President could tighten that oversight.

Under his law-enforcement authority the president could also issue executive orders improving information sharing among state and local law enforcement authorities about illegal gun purchases, tracking gun buyers' history of mental illness, and maintaining data on gun sales for longer periods.

The administration has already issued a regulation designed to prevent sales of semi-automatic rifles to Mexican drug cartels. It requires stores in states bordering Mexico to notify federal law enforcement officials when someone buys two or more of a particular type of high-caliber, semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine. That regulation, too, could be expanded upon." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...=Daily%20Brief

contact our elected officials.
make it clear we're holding them accountable for not only their own vote and legislation but for upholding the US Constitution and making sure this president and/or any future president does not overstep via executive orders.

[lavey29]

Well there is a major problem with your scenario that becomes pretty obvious if you think it through. If Obama decides to unilaterally create some "legislation" either through an EO or treaty, which criminalizes conduct, what happens next? I suppose he might get the ATF to come arrest you, and then lets assume you get taken to jail. Well at that point you are going to end up before a federal judge. I know quite a few of those guys, and guess what, they don't allow trials for laws that don't actually exist. If you think they do, you are living in a distopian fantasy world. So you are gonna get kicked loose, and almost certainly with a court order from a federal judge for the return of your lawfully possessed property.

Now I suppose they could just start holding everyone without trial in FEMA camps or whatever, but at that point whatever EO or treaty might exist is hardly relevant. So maybe take off the , take a deep breath, have a beer, and try to relax.

Dude, seriously, do you think the government doesn't have data files showing you are a gun owner? Maybe some of the 80% builds are not on file but everything else is that was store bought or PPT in some form or another. If they create a large scope ban on stuff what are your options? Hide it? You can't go to the range anymore with it. If they send you a letter ordering you to surrender your stuff what do you do? Hold it and be subject to arrest? They don't have the manpower to go out and arrest everyone who doesn't voluntarily surrender their guns. They will use civil remedies and attack your wallet until you assimilate and become part of the collective. They are eveh trying to tighten up their records by making mandatory "current" registration for every firearm you possess. They will chip away at other things like parts and ban imports. They will limit or create huge tax on ammo. There will be multiple ways the government will tighten the noose once this thing gets rolling. Then a lot of states will tighten it even further with their own added things to a state ban such as Cali is doing right now. I hope I am wrong on all counts and that we stand our ground and protect our rights.