Ca. DOJ Delay notice WTH?

[tuolumnejim]

To mrdd, I have been calling them since friday with no return calls. I also e-mailed as well as left voice messages but to no avail. You and I think that a case should be handed off to another person/agent if someone goes on vacation (especially for 3 weeks or so) but the only person that I was able to talk to sounded to me like I was crazy for asking the same question as you. I understand being more stringent but correct me if I am wrong don't you have to be a convicted felon to loose your rights?

No all you need to do is be here in the PRK.

On a second thought, I've been seeing these "I'm delayed" threads popping up quite often. Is this just "under the radar" harassment to keep people from purchasing legal products?

[Mitch]

Ms. Harris has had her folks going into arrest records from the 70's and 80's and delayed many of our customers due to "false" arrest with no procescution.

Is this documented anywhere? It's clearly a denial of due process and I think there are many California journalists who would be interested in this story, if there is any proof.

[HowardW56]

No all you need to do is be here in the PRK.

On a second thought, I've been seeing these "I'm delayed" threads popping up quite often. Is this just "under the radar" harassment to keep people from purchasing legal products?

There has definately been a change at DOJ, any excuse to delay appears to be their SOP now....

[SilverTauron]

Is this documented anywhere? It's clearly a denial of due process and I think there are many California journalists who would be interested in this story, if there is any proof.

Given the media's anti-gun bias, their interest wouldn't be helpful for us at all. We don't need Channel 2 giving Ms Harris a public "attaboy" for sticking it to lawful gun owners.

[Mitch]

Given the media's anti-gun bias, their interest wouldn't be helpful for us at all. We don't need Channel 2 giving Ms Harris a public "attaboy" for sticking it to lawful gun owners.

Well, I'm not sure how many positive firearms related articles you are responsible for, but I have at least two under my belt.

You never accomplish anything without trying.

[PolishMike]

Do you have a common name that a felon might share?

Doesn't matter. DROS is ran by DL number.

I thought about this but they have my SSN and my drivers license number and this is the 5th purchase in about 2.5 years. I have not heard back from them, just trying to figure out if this is final or after so amount specific amount of time it will automatically go thru if they can't prove that I am the one they found a problem with. thanks

SSN goes no where. No one sees it. That doesn't mater.

I know someone who was denied over an unpaid parking ticket. Welcome to California.

You will only be denied due to that under a "DMV Reject". This only applies if you did not take care of the ticket and your license is suspended or revoked.

Is this your second "new handgun purchase" in the last 30 days??? That may also trigger a delay.

This would trigger a denial, not a delay.

Guys - Please stop commenting on stuff if you have no idea what you are talking about. I don't go on aircraft forums and tell people how to repair 747's.


OP - Just to be clear, the store told you it was a DOJ delay? The "on vacation until January" thing does not make sense. There are multiple people at DOJ handling delay/denials. Are you sure it wasn't the person at the store that is gone?

In the Spring the DOJ changed the way they looked at some cases. Send your info here - http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/get...rt-ca-doj.html and be patient. It may take a month or two to figure this out.

[HappyCamper781]

I'm a victim of the DMV reject over a not having insurance ticket, for not have my insurance card on me at the scene of a car accident (car was mangled). Was fighting the ticket since insurance was valid at the time of the accident and paid off, but since I don't want to pay for storage at the FFL's, I decided to just pay the ticket and get it out of the way so I could complete the purchase.

[mrdd]

Traffic tickets should not be grounds for DROS denial. That is B.S.

[PolishMike]

Traffic tickets should not be grounds for DROS denial. That is B.S.

Again, they AREN'T. If you have a suspended or revoked license it is not a valid form of ID therefore it gets rejected on DMV grounds. Same thing as someone trying to buy a gun without any ID.

If the same person was to go to the DMV and get a CA ID card and DROS a gun they would be fine.

[mrdd]

Again, they AREN'T. If you have a suspended or revoked license it is not a valid form of ID therefore it gets rejected on DMV grounds. Same thing as someone trying to buy a gun without any ID.

If the same person was to go to the DMV and get a CA ID card and DROS a gun they would be fine.

But that is crazy also. Since the DMV issues the I.D. cards, a suspended license should still be a valid form of I.D. Or, if they physically take your license, they should just issue you an I.D. card.

This is just another B.S. way the state screws with people.

[clbshooter]

End of 4th business day

My DMV record is current and clear and all insurance is paid, so no problem here. Polish Mike, I still have the voice message on my phone from the gun dealer stating DOJ placed a delay on the purchase and yes it was a lady at DOJ that told me that the person handling my case was on vacation and not back until some time in Jan. The guy at the dealer IS NOT on vacation. I filled out the DOJ firearms issue report on this site Monday so yes this was done. This doesn't seem fair that they can deny anyone as long as they are legal to own a gun. Does anyone know if there is a time limit that the DOJ can "delay" purchase before they have to let the purchase go thru? It has now been 4 business days since it started and they will not call or e-mail me back to explain what they are doing. I will continue calling them tomorrow and will keep everyone informed. thanks for all the help.

[HappyCamper781]

You're basically at the mercy of the DOJ. The delay means they are unsure you can be cleared to purchase and need more time to perform a thorough investigation, from what I asked the local FFL/Turner's Outdoorsman manager.

[HappyCamper781]

DOJ FAQ:

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#23G

How are dealers notified regarding DROS denials and delays?

If the DOJ determines that a purchaser is ineligible to possess a firearm, the DOJ will deny the sale. The dealer will be notified via telephone not to deliver the firearm. A confirming letter will be sent via the U.S. Mail, and a message via the PSD (for dealers who have a PSD).

When the DOJ is not able to immediately determine a purchaser's eligibility to possess firearms, the dealer is notified as above to delay delivery of the firearm. Once a determination is made, the dealer will be notified as above to cancel the sale or to deliver the firearm.

(PC section 12076(d))

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Is there a maximum time frame after submission of the DROS information during which a firearms dealer may release a firearm?

Yes. If a firearm purchaser does not take physical possession of the firearm within 30 days of submission of the DROS information, the dealer must cancel the sale and, if the firearm was a handgun, send the DOJ a cancellation form for that transaction. If the purchaser still wants to take possession of the firearm, the entire DROS process must be completed including payment of DROS fees.

(PC section 12071(b))

The delay should in theory last less than the 30 day maximum.

My DMV Deny required that I go back and restart DROS, but that's not what you're going through, expect a notification "after the DOJ agent gets back from vacation".

[PolishMike]

But that is crazy also. Since the DMV issues the I.D. cards, a suspended license should still be a valid form of I.D. Or, if they physically take your license, they should just issue you an I.D. card.

This is just another B.S. way the state screws with people.

A suspended license isn't a valid form of ID. The first step the DOJ does is confirm that the id/cdl is real and valid. They then do the background check.

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[HappyCamper781]

Yes but the license remains suspended even though I had a court date. Oh well. Pay the ticket off, admit guilt, redo DROS, collect firearm after 10 days was easier in my case.

All the OP can do is wait. Which I know from experience is frustrating. (Turner's/FFL would not tell me what was wrong, I had to call DOJ)