National Right To Carry...

[Sir Stunna Lot]

Write her back and ask her which states issue to minors, convicted criminals, and people with no firearm safety training to carry concealed weapons?

Alaska and Vermont comes to mind...

She does make a couple of good points to substantiate her stand on the issue

[wchutt]

EVERY person who lives in a urban environment should be insulted that she believes they are incapable of carrying a firearm for protection.

[Mg911guy]

people with no firearm safety training

Alaska and Vermont comes to mind...

She does make a couple of good points to substantiate her stand on the issue

Alaska permit requires this:
submits evidence of successful completion of a handgun course as provided in AS 18.65.715

Vermont doesn't have a permit. So how can you have reciprocity without one?

[J.D.Allen]

Alaska and Vermont comes to mind...

She does make a couple of good points to substantiate her stand on the issue

Ummm...no. She doesn't. And sorry but you are wrong about AK and VT. They do not issue permits to anyone in those categories. In fact VT does not issue permits at all. They allow all NON-PROHIBITED persons to carry without permits. Big difference. If you are a felon, minor, or in any other prohibited category you are still not allowed to carry in those places.

But of course, felons do carry in those places, just like they do in CA, NY, NJ, HI, IL, and pretty much everywhere else.

And BTW, you forgot AZ and WY.

[CenterMass90068]

I almost started to go on a rant about her but realized she not worth the effort of lifting my fingers to type...

[Mg911guy]

I almost started to go on a rant about her but realized she not worth the effort of lifting my fingers to type...

^^^ This 100% and sorry I didn't mean to hijack this thread.

[SilverTauron]

Alaska and Vermont comes to mind...

She does make a couple of good points to substantiate her stand on the issue

No she does not.

I live in one of those states which has no state-mandated training for a CCW permit. Guess what, bullets aren't zinging around my neighborhood in South Dakota from untrained yokels.

Wish I could say the same about my old haunts in the 6000 Block of N. Sheridan Road, Chicago Illinois.In that city you need training just to OWN a gun in city limits-and you have a greater chance of getting shot in the Windy City than you do walking a patrol in Afghanistan.

[Powerkraut]

No she does not.

I live in one of those states which has no state-mandated training for a CCW permit. Guess what, bullets aren't zinging around my neighborhood in South Dakota from untrained yokels.

Wish I could say the same about my old haunts in the 6000 Block of N. Sheridan Road, Chicago Illinois.In that city you need training just to OWN a gun in city limits-and you have a greater chance of getting shot in the Windy City than you do walking a patrol in Afghanistan.

I definately sympathize with this, growing up in rural TX we didn't even know there were laws around firearms and carrying them, can remember a single incident. Now where I live (urban Bay Area) there are shots fired in my neighborhood weekly. Just the other night I heard a driveby down the block, 10 shots quick pause, then 10 more. Thought to myself "10 round mags sure do slow those gangbangers down".

[ACLU hero]

dem platform

"The whole Rural vs. Urban thing she stated is totally stupid."

I am amused b/c the dem platform used to say that the dem party supported reasonable restraint on the right to bear arms, but accepted that what is ok in chicago may not be the same in misulla (or something to that effect.)

it doesn't say that this year. they deleted the qualifier.

not that party platforms have meant much since the 1920's-- but they are always an attempt to pander to the extremes in the party. the abandonment of the concept that some locales may have different ideas about firearms does send a signal.... i guess.

those of us that believe that the individual right to possess a firearm includes a semi-automatic rifle may be outnumbered where i live today- but i think we command a majority on the USSC.

ACLU hero out

[Lone.45]

Virginia was awesome... because i'm military i could just take 50 bucks and a copy of my orders and they'd mail it. so many people were getting their license it took about 2 weeks. but at the same time over 250k people were packing and crime dropped about 30-40%. yet everyday here i see fresno on the news for some one getting killed or home invasions. what do they expect to happen? easy to rob some one outside their home. you know that 90% wont have any gun on them.

[Quarto]

Ummm...no. She doesn't. And sorry but you are wrong about AK and VT. They do not issue permits to anyone in those categories. In fact VT does not issue permits at all. They allow all NON-PROHIBITED persons to carry without permits. Big difference. If you are a felon, minor, or in any other prohibited category you are still not allowed to carry in those places.

But of course, felons do carry in those places, just like they do in CA, NY, NJ, HI, IL, and pretty much everywhere else.

And BTW, you forgot AZ and WY.

Plus, as we stated already. Many states including AK, require completion of a firearm training course or program.

[blazeaglory]

I just don't stand behind the idea that states are allowed to circumvent - strengthen or weaken - Federal laws and regulations.

Either we are all States United, or we are not. Otherwise, the states are really nothing much different than their own unique little countries, bowing to the Fed when it's convenient or suits them.

A.W.D.

You just now figuring that out j/k

Anything fienstien says is a lie made to suit her own agenda. If its not a lie its a gross distortion of the truth. I cant even look at her face anymore

[Wiz-of-Awd]

You just now figuring that out j/k

Anything fienstien says is a lie made to suit her own agenda. If its not a lie its a gross distortion of the truth. I cant even look at her face anymore

Nope, "figured it" for some time, and it just bothers me ...

A.W.D.

[meaty-btz]

A King would pass down edicts, law, etc on a National level. Laws governing isses below National were handled by the dukes in their dutchies as needed. When conflicts arose between the lawa between two Dukes, the king would mediate or make determination. Counts would preside of isses affecting their counties with Dukes mediating between Counties.

If this sounds familiar, it should. A National issue should not be decided locally while a local isse (local by scope and definition, it ceases to be local when it becomes a larger concern). There is often much back and forth over what should be mediated on what level, but even the most unified nation will have local ordinances. It is just how you to do it to make large nations governable.

I believe that firearms law should be national, but for most of our history they have been local/state. Incorporation of the 2nd is the first time in our history that it started the ball rolling towards the issue being federal.

[J.D.Allen]

There is a reason why states' rights were so important to a lot of the founders of this nation. I am a firm believer in the feds not meddling in state affairs....

...except in those rare cases in which a state government makes laws restricting basic rights that are guaranteed by the U.S. constitution.

This is one of those rare cases in which I believe federal law does, and by all rights should, trump state law.