Palmetto (Name-banned) RAW lower- interesting observation

[saki302]

I was looking over a buddy's RAW Palmetto lower-based AR rifle and noticed something interesting..

The AW ban list names the Palmetto (Brand) SGW (model) *all as banned rifles by name.

The receiver states "Palmetto" as make, and "BH15" or some such model designation.
'SGW' was never the model, the place of manufacture lists 'SGW OLY WA' or something to that extent (excuse my non photographic memory).

Now- question is, is the rifle (or lower) still banned by name? They screwed the pooch big time in naming the model as 'SGW' (unless Palmetto actually made an 'SGW' lower.

-Dave

PS- for those too young to remember, Palmetto lowers were originally made by Olympic arms, and machined from solid billet. They are the **only** pre-federal ban billet lowers made, and made from 1979-1982 or some such years. Apparently they're worth big bucks now in states which allow pre-ban ARs (not that it would be worth selling something with RAW status in CA_ that's priceless).

[phrogg111]

If it's registered as an assault weapon, it's an assault weapon now.

If the make/model aren't listed, they're not normally assault weapons though, you're right.

Edit: Kasler v lockyer says: Palmetto as the make, and SGA (all) as the model. If it's missing the SGA part, then it's a different gun by the same manufacturer and not on the list.

If it's made by olympic arms, their AR-15, CAR-97, and PCR (any) are banned.

[readysetgo]

I was looking over a buddy's RAW Palmetto lower-based AR rifle and noticed something interesting..

The AW ban list names the Palmetto (Brand) SGW (model) *all as banned rifles by name.

The receiver states "Palmetto" as make, and "BH15" or some such model designation.
'SGW' was never the model, the place of manufacture lists 'SGW OLY WA' or something to that extent (excuse my non photographic memory).

Now- question is, is the rifle (or lower) still banned by name? They screwed the pooch big time in naming the model as 'SGW' (unless Palmetto actually made an 'SGW' lower.

-Dave

PS- for those too young to remember, Palmetto lowers were originally made by Olympic arms, and machined from solid billet. They are the **only** pre-federal ban billet lowers made, and made from 1979-1982 or some such years. Apparently they're worth big bucks now in states which allow pre-ban ARs (not that it would be worth selling something with RAW status in CA_ that's priceless).

Your confusing a bunch of different issues.

Palmetto SGA on the list was not the same as Palmetto State Armory of SC.

Your question: "is the rifle (or lower) still banned by name?"

Answer: Yes, Palmetto: SGA (All) is "banned" nothing has been removed from the list

However you said: "The receiver states "Palmetto" as make, and "BH15" or some such model designation"

So the receiver your asking about is not even on the list in the first place. Therefore OLL.

further reference:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=316493

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=613287

Some of you are confusing PA for PSA
Palmetto Armory ≠ Palmetto State Armory


S.G.W. OLY.WA.USA = Schuetzen Gun Works, Olympia, Washington. Better known as Olympic Arms, Inc...
Not Palmetto State Armory, Columbia SC.

Lower in question:



zfields is right, if its not on the list its an off list lower.

[saki302]

Oh- I didn't even catch that- my brain read 'SGA' as 'SGW'! Haha..

I will tell him he can pass it on to his kids in the future if he de-registers it

I should have figured they weren't smart enough to catch a lower which was in production for 3 years 30 years ago.

Pisses me off my kids can't even inherit my armalites. I'll have to strip them down before I kick the bucket- rebuild as OLLs

-Dave

[bwiese]

I should have figured they weren't smart enough to catch a lower which was in production for 3 years 30 years ago.

Yup, even on the Kasler list they banned ASA USA-15 but not ASA-15.

So I have a Cat 3 reg'd AW that I can BB for transport as a non-AW, and put a MagMagnet on for hicap detacahable magazine usage at the range.

[adamsreeftank]

Yup, even on the Kasler list they banned ASA USA-15 but not ASA-15.

So I have a Cat 3 reg'd AW that I can BB for transport as a non-AW, and put a MagMagnet on for hicap detacahable magazine usage at the range.

Oh my god. You didn't just say that did you?

[Tempus]

Oh my god. You didn't just say that did you?

Why not. No reason you can't have a MagMagnet on a RAW.

[saki302]

Bingo..

Actually the idea is kind of brilliant- no AW transport issues to and from the range, yet while there you can enjoy it as God intended.

That's probably the ONLY legitimate use for the magnet I can think of- except maybe on a rimfire rifle.

-Dave

PS- I can't take advantage of it- my only non-named AW is a FAL :P
All my regged AR pattern rifles say 'Armalite" haha

[flyingspur]

Good information. I also confused PA with PSA initially