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  • USMCM16A2
    Banned
    • Jul 2006
    • 4941

    John McCain and the 2A.

    Folks,


    I heard McCain speak today at the CEPAC conference today right after Romney threw in the towel. And I am likely to draw fire for this but this is an open forum. I do believe that he meant what he said that he learned from his mistakes with Immigration Bill that he co-authored with that lard-encased fat_@$$ Kennedy.
    How is this relevant to our 2A battles, I was angry like a lot of voters for some of his REPUBLIKRAT stances on certain issues. And I know that he has a checkered record on 2A issues. But the issue is bigger than just who is the most conservative, the issue is who will best likely serve our interests in the battle to preserve our 2A rights. Who is most likely to gain the widest acceptance when it comes to the Republican, Independent, or middle of the road voter. Our choices are pretty slim.
    Again, we as a block of voters are faced with possibly voting for someone who is better than the alternative. Clinton/Obama would set us back decades, regardless of how SCOTUS rules. I as a voter, am just sick and tired of our 2A rights being pissed on, and interpreted completely out of context. Weary of politicians deciding what is good for us, an incompetent California DOJ that has agents that think they can just arrest whoever the please, putting peoples financial/emotional well-being at stake. Lawyers that call the citizens of this state "Idiots, and keyboard commandos". But if you think it is bad now, consider the previously mentioned, Obama/Clinton Presidency, and they would certainly approve HR1022, NO SEMI-AUTO ARMS OF ANY KIND. Allison and Mr. I Chinn will be heard laughing their @$$es off, and the California Legislature would not have to do thing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, my .02 Let the FLAMES begin, USMCM16A2
  • #2
    bwiese
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Oct 2005
    • 27621

    I think, for all the handwaving about him from folks calling themselves 'conservative', McCain can beat the Hilldog or Obama.

    That's the endgame you have to look at. Romney's out, Huck will flounder.

    He's also repeatedly promised to nominate originalists to the Supremes - and used Roberts & Alito as examples.

    Since, for gunnies, the upcoming Prez election is all about the Supremes, let's roll with him.

    Bill Wiese
    San Jose, CA

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    • #3
      Experimentalist
      Banned in Amsterdam
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • May 2006
      • 1171

      No flames from me

      You've made some good, honest points.

      More importantly, you've started a dialogue regarding choices in whom to vote for, or worse whether to vote at all.



      Some folks are likely to go sit in the corner, hold their breath, and pout because the most conservative / better candidate / whatever won't be getting the nomination. Tough. Suck it up and deal.

      Because if you don't show up in November, and pull for McCain or whoever wins the Republican nomination, you trully will suffer for 4 (or more) years under Clinton / Obama.

      Now let the flames begin.
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      • #4
        ukdkbr
        Member
        • Jun 2007
        • 136

        Want to hear about how you can save your 2A rights and everyother right you have or have lost:

        Inspiring ...

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        • #5
          Solidmch
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 1325

          Bill we have no other choice for someone that can win. Sad but true. I never thought in a million years I could/would vote for McCain. I just do not want to loose ANY of my guns.
          Please spay or neuter your liberals.

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          • #6
            Bizcuits
            In Memoriam
            • Aug 2006
            • 6957

            I have no problem giving the man my vote.

            I'm tired of hearing about how Ron Paul is gonna save the time and pull an election win outta his ***.

            Either we allie with McCain and pray / hope we have a better choice in four years. Or you support losing your guns, which are the things that give you freedom.
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            • #7
              m24armorer
              In Memoriam
              • Feb 2006
              • 1422

              I'm a one issue voter and it's all about guns.

              Thats all, period. I really don't give a rats a** about anything else. What I do for a living revolves around guns. Especially black ones.

              Without that, I might have to get a real job. Is a second language required at McDonalds?
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              • #8
                DrjonesUSA
                Veteran Member
                • Dec 2005
                • 4680

                Originally posted by USMCM16A2
                Folks,


                I heard McCain speak today at the CEPAC conference today right after Romney threw in the towel. And I am likely to draw fire for this but this is an open forum. I do believe that he meant what he said that he learned from his mistakes with Immigration Bill that he co-authored with that lard-encased fat_@$$ Kennedy.
                How is this relevant to our 2A battles, I was angry like a lot of voters for some of his REPUBLIKRAT stances on certain issues. And I know that he has a checkered record on 2A issues. But the issue is bigger than just who is the most conservative, the issue is who will best likely serve our interests in the battle to preserve our 2A rights. Who is most likely to gain the widest acceptance when it comes to the Republican, Independent, or middle of the road voter. Our choices are pretty slim.
                Again, we as a block of voters are faced with possibly voting for someone who is better than the alternative. Clinton/Obama would set us back decades, regardless of how SCOTUS rules. I as a voter, am just sick and tired of our 2A rights being pissed on, and interpreted completely out of context. Weary of politicians deciding what is good for us, an incompetent California DOJ that has agents that think they can just arrest whoever the please, putting peoples financial/emotional well-being at stake. Lawyers that call the citizens of this state "Idiots, and keyboard commandos". But if you think it is bad now, consider the previously mentioned, Obama/Clinton Presidency, and they would certainly approve HR1022, NO SEMI-AUTO ARMS OF ANY KIND. Allison and Mr. I Chinn will be heard laughing their @$$es off, and the California Legislature would not have to do thing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, my .02 Let the FLAMES begin, USMCM16A2


                I'll say this loud and clear to anyone who will listen:

                McCain is now going to be our nominee.

                Anyone who even fantasizes about calling themselves conservative/Republican and cares at all about keeping their right to bear arms will vote for McCain in this election.

                The alternative is going to be hilary or obama, and I don't need to state the obvious about what they are going to do to gunowners.

                Any gunowner who does not vote for McCain DESERVES to lose all of their guns.

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                • #9
                  DrjonesUSA
                  Veteran Member
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 4680

                  Originally posted by Bizcuits
                  I have no problem giving the man my vote.

                  I'm tired of hearing about how Ron Paul is gonna save the time and pull an election win outta his ***.

                  Either we allie with McCain and pray / hope we have a better choice in four years. Or you support losing your guns, which are the things that give you freedom.

                  Yep.

                  I proudly voted for Paul in the primary, but its clear that he doesn't have a shot, unfortunately.

                  I would love NOTHING more than to have a man like him as our President.

                  Sadly, that is not an option.

                  Vote McCain.

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                  • #10
                    Bad Voodoo
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 2884

                    We all better hope that he supports the 2A. We're going to need the protection when he opens the border.

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                    • #11
                      Hoop
                      Ready fo HILLARY!!
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 11534

                      Originally posted by DrjonesUSA
                      Yep.

                      I proudly voted for Paul in the primary, but its clear that he doesn't have a shot, unfortunately.

                      Same here, however I knew from day one he didn't have a prayer. I'm surprised at McCain's wins too, I thought Romney would be the GOP candidate.

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                      • #12
                        BigDogatPlay
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 7362

                        McCain has spent the past 20 years or so taking pleasure sticking his thumb in the eyes of most conservatives including, by derivation, me. But if he is willing to walk the talk, man up on the issues that mean the most to us and really do the right thing.

                        He can beat Hillary... if he will continue to walk the talk and she polarizes the voters as thoroughly as I know she can. If Obama wins the nomination, all bets are off as I think Obama would take it in a rout. The cultish culture that is building around Obama is going to be hard to beat, particularly when the 527 Media turns on McCain as you know they will about ten seconds after the fall campaign kicks off.
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                        • #13
                          jamesob
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 4821

                          well i voted for mcain in the primaries, simply because i really didnt like romny and i have issues with huck. i respect a man that served our country and suffered as a pow. his issues on immigration i believe will change and he will come around on other stuff as well. i did love the fact today during his speech he did say basicly that the assault weapon ban was a joke and he doesnt support another one. and i also think romny might be a v.p for mcain.

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                          • #14
                            LAK Supply
                            Veteran Member
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 2892

                            McCain is a jackass that will say whatever he thinks he needs to for the power of a presidential office. He's just another lying politician, and he has no respect for the 2A or our borders.... I about shot my TV screen when he was up there in the debate lying about being a federalist.
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                            • #15
                              Solidmch
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 1325

                              Originally posted by LAK Supply
                              McCain is a jackass that will say whatever he thinks he needs to for the power of a presidential office. He's just another lying politician, and he has no respect for the 2A or our borders.... I about shot my TV screen when he was up there in the debate lying about being a federalist.
                              So I take it you have a better choice that could win?
                              Please spay or neuter your liberals.

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