Jason Davis on fixed mags

[taperxz]

http://stopsb249.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/sb249_analysis.pdf

After reading this analysis some are wondering if the the BB constitutes a REAL fixed magazine. (per AW fixed mag status) Does the BB create a fixed mag or a detachable mag? (w/use of a tool)

Just asking...

[bohoki]

i wonder what the aft thinks of the rule does it help any imports?

[taperxz]

i wonder what the aft thinks of the rule does it help any imports?

Some have mentioned that the he is basically saying that a BB rifle is NOT a fixed mag. Therefore, a 10+ magazine would not be illegal in a bullet button configured rifle.

[bohoki]

Some have mentioned that the he is basically saying that a BB rifle is NOT a fixed mag. Therefore, a 10+ magazine would not be illegal in a bullet button configured rifle.

they can redefine the color red to be the color green with laws

but as it stands now red is still left of orange

[mrdd]

http://stopsb249.org/wp-content/uplo...9_analysis.pdf


After reading this analysis some are wondering if the the BB constitutes a REAL fixed magazine. (per AW fixed mag status) Does the BB create a fixed mag or a detachable mag? (w/use of a tool)

Just asking...

The AW code uses both terms "fixed magazine" and "detachable magazine" in the same section in a way that would suggest that they are in fact opposites.

[goodlookin1]

The AW code uses both terms "fixed magazine" and "detachable magazine" in the same section in a way that would suggest that they are in fact opposites.

In what section exactly do you find "fixed magazine"? Curious because I've never seen it.

[mrdd]

In what section exactly do you find "fixed magazine"? Curious because I've never seen it.

PC 30515 uses both terms. They are not defined, but used in this section in a way that suggests they are opposites.

[Dreaded Claymore]

Some have mentioned that the he is basically saying that a BB rifle is NOT a fixed mag. Therefore, a 10+ magazine would not be illegal in a bullet button configured rifle.

How can it be both a detachable magazine (so that >10 round magazines may be used), and not a detachable magazine (so that prohibited features may be present)?

[bohoki]

the confusion is that the actual magazine is the same magazine for both detachable or fixed

it how the firearm holds onto the magazine that determines if the mag is fixed or not

if you went to a gunstore and asked for a non-detachable ar-15 or ak magazine they will look at you like you got 2 heads

the sks has fixed magazines and detachable magazines and their difference is a little nub above the main latch catch which prevents the magazine from being removed

[SJgunguy24]

What are you reading? I got what looks like an ad in a pdf file.

[safewaysecurity]

How can it be both a detachable magazine (so that >10 round magazines may be used), and not a detachable magazine (so that prohibited features may be present)?

I think they are saying that. Non-detachable doesn't necessarily mean "fixed" and that that a gun can have a non-detachable magazine and have evil features and have greater mag capacity used in the gun because it's not "fixed" but it's also not detachable. At least I think that's it. It's a whole bunch of semantics and nonsense that doesn't make any sense. But hey, we live in California. All logic must be left at the border. We live in the twilight zone. Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo.

[Wiz-of-Awd]

What am I missing that you guys are reading?

"THE SB 249 ANALYSIS DOCUMENT FORMERLY
AT THIS LINK IS OUTDATED. SB 249 WAS
MATERIALLY AMENDED ON AUG. 7, 2012."

A.W.D.

[mrdd]

What am I missing that you guys are reading?

"THE SB 249 ANALYSIS DOCUMENT FORMERLY
AT THIS LINK IS OUTDATED. SB 249 WAS
MATERIALLY AMENDED ON AUG. 7, 2012."

A.W.D.

The bill was amended, but that is not material to this discussion because none of the language in the PC changed in the meantime.

My reading of the PC is that "detachable magazine" is the opposite of "non-detachable magazine", and that "non-detachable magazine" is the same as "fixed magazine". I don't believe that any court would say that "non-detachable magazine" and "fixed magazine" are not equivalent.

[glock7]

clear as mud....

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

What am I missing that you guys are reading?

"THE SB 249 ANALYSIS DOCUMENT FORMERLY
AT THIS LINK IS OUTDATED. SB 249 WAS
MATERIALLY AMENDED ON AUG. 7, 2012."

A.W.D.

Curiously, CGF pulled the PDF last night. lol. Until about 5 minutes ago you could find and download the cached version in google. The legal analysis basically stated the obvious, i.e., BB rifles do not have fixed magazines under the commonsense definition of "fixed magazine" (which is how statutory terms are typically interpreted).