A new strategy

[whack]

This was posted in the Off-Topic area, but we expanded the scope and figured it would get a more positive response here.

Ever notice that how people love to 'know' something?

People tend to like 'inside' information, and attempt to share that information in a way that makes them appear intelligent and informed. This is most common seen at the Local Gun Store (LGS) by most people here. Opinions are especially effective and infectious.

Here is what I propose - everyone in this California culture needs to share a 'did you know' tidbit of inside knowledge with someone outside of the culture. Something exclusive and inside. This is how we will start 'educating the masses'.

Remember folks, WE CAN USE PROPOGANDA TOO!

The idea is to disiminate as much simple 'pro-gun' information as possible to people that you know that otherwise don't know. Make it easy and effective for them to understand the counter arguement, and get them emotionally engaged.

Here are some examples:

1000 Rounds of Ammo isn't very much!

Cars Kill More People - We should ban them!

Why people hunt with the AR-15

The AR-15 is NOT an Assault Weapon

STOP SB249!

[lithium381]

Gun death tally's also include suicides and gang violence . . .

[Dreaded Claymore]

These are really good "graphic bites," to coin a phrase. You've got skills.

If you haven't volunteered to help the Calguns Foundation, you should. Do it here, and be sure to specify that you can create and edit graphics.

[whack]

Oh don't worry - I'm helping CGF ;-)

Everyone should download their favorite PDF and send it out!

[BlasterMaster81]

These are very good points and strategies. I'll definitely be using all this. Thanks for the info.

[Extra411]

I'm reluctant to support the idea of propagandizing "pro gun tidbits".

If you want to educate others, then it needs to be done properly. Doing it with half-truths and ambiguous statements undervalues the virtues of your position.

For example, I have several issues with statements on those posters:

-6,000 rounds of what ammo fits in a box? Certainly not 5.56 ammo. Not even close. If your intent was to imply that 6,000 rounds isn't that much ammo, then I don't think this is the accurate depiction to use. And 6,000 rounds IS a lot of ammo. For a family to expend 6,000 rounds in a single range day is a LOT. If you assume there are 5 family members, as the poster implies, shooting over a period of 5 hours, that means each person needs to shoot 240 rounds per hour, or 4 rounds per minute for the entire duration with no breaks. Yes, it's doable, but extremely unlikely.

-For the hunting picture, you have denoted that by changing one component of the AR you can hunt anything. I assume you mean by switching out the upper you can use different calibers for different situations. But you know there are many nuances involved. Such as whether the magwell is compatible with the new caliber. If you are going to be bringing a different upper, a different magazine, and potentially a different lower, then you might as well bring another AR altogether. I find it quite a stretch to believe that it can replace "five" different rifles.

-AR15 is certainly different than a M1 Garand. A clip fed rifle vs one of those "large capacity" rifles seemed to be pretty different to me, and probably to most people. I feel if you want to make a statement such as "AR15 is not an assault weapon", then you need to go a lot more comprehensive than that. Such as defining what an "assault RIFLE" is, and what an "assault WEAPON" is, and all the other nuances involved - because look, an AR 15 configured like the picture IS an "assault weapon" under the politician definition.

I think it's very important to expose people to firearm knowledge in general, but I don't support propagandizing them with fallacies.

[TempleKnight]

-6,000 rounds of what ammo fits in a box? Certainly not 5.56 ammo. Not even close. If your intent was to imply that 6,000 rounds isn't that much ammo, then I don't think this is the accurate depiction to use. And 6,000 rounds IS a lot of ammo. For a family to expend 6,000 rounds in a single range day is a LOT. If you assume there are 5 family members, as the poster implies, shooting over a period of 5 hours, that means each person needs to shoot 240 rounds per hour, or 4 rounds per minute for the entire duration with no breaks. Yes, it's doable, but extremely unlikely.
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First of all, who decided that one day's ammo is the appropriate amount. Who says you have to shoot it all in one day? I like to keep at least 6 months supply of ammo that I use in competition.
Second, I have a standard mil-spec ammo can that holds 5600 rounds of 5.56.
6000 rounds is not a lot, especially if you have multiple calibers.

[Agent Orange]

...I think it's very important to expose people to firearm knowledge in general, but I don't support propagandizing them with fallacies....

^This. I about fell off my chair at the first one. Talk about irony.

[Extra411]

Who says you have to shoot it all in one day?

Look at the poster that was made. It says "be used in a single family trip to the range". Unless you like to camp out for multiple days at the range, that implies one day to me.

Second, I have a standard mil-spec ammo can that holds 5600 rounds of 5.56.

Your ammo can must be pretty gigantic because my cans don't even come close. Somewhere around 1000 rounds in a .50 can. Loose ammo and not in boxes.

6000 rounds is not a lot, especially if you have multiple calibers.

Look, I agree with you, in the sense that as a shooting enthusiast that it's not a lot. I buy ammo in bulks of hundreds/thousands myself. But to use pictures to imply that they fit in a typical ammo can box and can be shot by a family in one trip to the range is a gross exaggeration imo.

[whack]

I'm reluctant to support the idea of propagandizing "pro gun tidbits"...Yada Yada Stuff goes here

Agreed with your point on the 6000 rounds of ammo - not something someone can actually relate to - but 1000 rounds is. Although we might go through that, some might not. This is about appealing to the masses. We changed it to 1000 rounds.

The AR question is interesting, because I actually have 5 uppers that I use from everything from rodents to bear. Maybe you don't, but some of us actually DO, and it is TRUE.

As for the 'not propagandizing' people with material - well how has THAT approach worked out so far? Last I checked we are on the slippery slope with a rubber raft and covered in Crisco. So you can choose to not participate, but we'll carry on without.

We cannot afford to sit back and be noble - we need to take the gloves off and put these ba$tards back in their corner.

[Extra411]

The AR question is interesting, because I actually have 5 uppers that I use from everything from rodents to bear. Maybe you don't, but some of us actually DO, and it is TRUE.

You use 5 uppers with one lower? That's kind of impressive.

We cannot afford to sit back and be noble - we need to take the gloves off and put these ba$tards back in their corner.

I understand where you're coming from. But this approach treats "the masses" like impressionable sheep that are only being used to further your/our agenda. It treats them like children and are disrespectful to their intelligence. It is no different than the approach used by the opposition that we despise so much.

So I think we'll just disagree then. I think the fight is already lost once principles are abandoned.

[whack]

You are right, the civil rights abusers like Yee are treating people like brainless sheep and feeding them LIES. We can at least give the masses some easy to swallow TRUTH. We need something a little stronger than our usual approach to overcome their blatant manipulation. Something that EMPOWERS and EMBOLDENS the fence sitting general Joe and Jane to stand up to the lies they don't even understand.

[whack]

-AR15 is certainly different than a M1 Garand. A clip fed rifle vs one of those "large capacity" rifles seemed to be pretty different to me, and probably to most people. I feel if you want to make a statement such as "AR15 is not an assault weapon", then you need to go a lot more comprehensive than that. Such as defining what an "assault RIFLE" is, and what an "assault WEAPON" is, and all the other nuances involved - because look, an AR 15 configured like the picture IS an "assault weapon" under the politician definition.

The point here is to get a genuine emotional response from people, using what they KNOW. Both these rifles function is largely the same way with slight 'nuances' that don't make any difference to the average Joe and Jane. We want them to realize that when the big bad politicians and media talk about AR's and such they are emotionally going after (or might as well go after) Grandpa's rifle you shot when you were a kid.

We need to learn their tactics and EXCEL