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  • Scott Connors
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2006
    • 879

    SB 249 and the SKS

    How would SB 249 affect the SKS, since the bullet button was in large part inspired by how the magazine on the SKS is removed for disassembly?
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    rromeo
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2009
    • 6981

    I suppose it wouldn't affect them too much unless Bubba got a hold of one and a Tapco catalog.
    Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again.

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    (Revised Eastern Sect Edition)

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    • #3
      ElvenSoul
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Apr 2008
      • 17431

      No need to worry anymore about 249!
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      • #4
        gwgn02
        Banned
        • Sep 2011
        • 3397

        Originally posted by ElvenSoul
        No need to worry anymore about 249!
        What? This fight aint over...far from it.

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        • #5
          steve91104
          Veteran Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 2805

          SKS doesn't have a bullet button or a detachable magazine, so SB249 does not apply.

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          • #6
            Scarecrow Repair
            Senior Member
            • May 2006
            • 2425

            Originally posted by steve91104
            SKS doesn't have a bullet button or a detachable magazine, so SB249 does not apply.
            You could say the SKS itself is the original bullet button, since the regulation which clarified that a bullet was a tool for the purposes of detaching a magazine was specifically meant to keep SKSs from being classified as assault weapons.
            Mention the Deacons for Defense and Justice and make both left and right wingnuts squirm

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            • #7
              TacoJockey
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 542

              But to remove the magazine you are required to disassemble the action, in this case by removing the trigger group.

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              • #8
                Mesa Tactical
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2004
                • 1746

                Originally posted by steve91104
                SKS doesn't have a bullet button or a detachable magazine, so SB249 does not apply.
                The regulation that allows us to use bullet buttons in ARs was promulgated specifically to address questions about the SKS and whether it had a fixed magazine or not, because SKS rifles with detachable magazines were banned as assault weapons. SKS magazines are designed to be removed from the rifle for cleaning or clearance drill by inserting a bullet tip into a catch behind the trigger guard. This is why "bullet" actually appears in the regulation as an example of a tool.

                So SB 249 absolutely does apply to the SKS if it redefines what a fixed magazine is. Precisely how it affects the SKS, however, I can't say.
                Lucy at www.mesatactical.com

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                • #9
                  Prince50
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 998

                  Gene Hoffman regarding the release of my first Bullet Button

                  http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...1&postcount=81

                  www.bulletbutton.com

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                  • #10
                    cleonard
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 958

                    Are not most SKS's featureless when originally purchased? Yes, I know that they came in many variants so some have "evil" features. As a featureless semi automatic rifle they should not be covered, correct?

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                    • #11
                      Mesa Tactical
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 1746

                      Originally posted by cleonard
                      Are not most SKS's featureless when originally purchased? Yes, I know that they came in many variants so some have "evil" features. As a featureless semi automatic rifle they should not be covered, correct?
                      12276. As used in this chapter, "assault weapon" shall mean the following designated semiautomatic firearms:

                      (a) All of the following specified rifles:

                      (11) SKS with detachable magazine.
                      Lucy at www.mesatactical.com

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                      • #12
                        formula502
                        Junior Member
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 85

                        Originally posted by Mesa Tactical
                        12276. As used in this chapter, "assault weapon" shall mean the following designated semiautomatic firearms:

                        (a) All of the following specified rifles:

                        (11) SKS with detachable magazine.
                        ...and based on the new definition of "detachable", we'll need to have a p*ssing contest about whether or not the trigger group is part of the action (I always took action to mean the bolt or slide) and whether or not a depress-able catch is a button.

                        The SKS is indeed in play.
                        Last edited by formula502; 08-15-2012, 9:51 AM.

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                        • #13
                          senorpeligro
                          Senior Member
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 508

                          Originally posted by formula502
                          ...and based on the new definition of "detachable", we'll need to have a p*ssing contest about whether or not the trigger group is part of the action (I always took action to mean the bolt or slide) and whether or not a depress-able catch is a button.

                          The SKS is indeed in play.
                          SB249 shows how easy it is to threaten a whole range of firearms with simple "declaratory" re-definitions.

                          I have a Russian SKS that is *awesome* if you like that kind of thing.

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                          • #14
                            Dr Rockso
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 3701

                            Originally posted by formula502
                            ...and based on the new definition of "detachable", we'll need to have a p*ssing contest about whether or not the trigger group is part of the action (I always took action to mean the bolt or slide) and whether or not a depress-able catch is a button.

                            The SKS is indeed in play here and may be subject to featureless concerns.
                            Yep, it is not at all clear whether the trigger assembly is part of the "action". The action is typically considered to be the bolt and associated components that facilitate the insertion of the cartridge into the chamber.

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                            • #15
                              senorpeligro
                              Senior Member
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 508

                              Originally posted by Dr Rockso
                              Yep, it is not at all clear whether the trigger assembly is part of the "action". The action is typically considered to be the bolt and associated components that facilitate the insertion of the cartridge into the chamber.
                              A featureless SKS isn't impacted AFAICT.

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