What difference does it make?

[5.56Geo]

Come 2013 what difference does it make if SB249 passes for those that build AR/M4's using off list lowers? Is there not a law signed and ready to take affect that will treat rifles like handguns that will require the FFL to state barrel length and caliber of the rifle being sold? That means that no more multi caliber marked lowers and since the FFL doesn't know the barrel length you will use on your rifle (AR/M4) striped lowers will not be able to be registered anyways. That is the reason you can't buy gun frames from an FFL. So what difference does it make?

Man... so many states to live in, Washington looks better each day.

I don't know what percent of the U.S. AR/M4 market is consumed here in California but even if it's 15% think of the economic impact to all the small businesses that manufacture AR/M4 goods.

Good grief!

[ICONIC]

If I am not mistaken OLL are not considered to be a firearm, they fall into an other category. I don't think rifle registration will have any effect on the sale of OLL's at least none that i heard of.

[killmime1234]

OLL frames are DROS'd as long guns, which will need to be registered come 2014. They are 4473'd as "other."

Also, 5.56Geo, I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but you can buy a stripped lower here in CA. And the caliber marking on it does not matter at all. It could say .22 pistol on it and have a 7.62x39 rifle length upper on it and that's totally legal.

[Wiz-of-Awd]

...That is the reason you can't buy gun frames from an FFL...

What do you mean by "gun frames?"

Pistol Frames?
Rifle Frames/receivers?

A.W.D.

[5.56Geo]

Thanks for the clarification on the OLL's. I didn't know they were considered as "Other" when registered.

Wiz-of-Awd, I meant pistol frames.

Thanks -George

[Inoxmark]

No the reason you can't buy a handgun frame is you can't complete a safety demonstration on a frame, therefore the sale cannot comply with the law.

[killmime1234]

Thanks for the clarification on the OLL's. I didn't know they were considered as "Other" when registered.

Wiz-of-Awd, I meant pistol frames.

Thanks -George

Ah, yes. Pistol frames cannot be purchased in CA. You can make one out of an 80% build, however.

Anyway, to better answer your question, AR rifle frames will still be able to be purchased once registration of long guns goes into effect. There is no law saying that what caliber or barrel length is on your registration is permanent. You can buy a .45 5" 1911 (it will be registered as that) and then you can put a .22 conversion long slide on it completely legally.

There is actually no law that says you can't buy an AR pistol frame either. AR pistol frames are not obtainable as stripped frames because they are not on the safe handgun roster which means that you can't DROS one as a pistol unless it's built out into a configuration that makes it single shot exempt. It has nothing to do with the safe handling demonstration or the caliber marking/barrel length for registration and everything to do with how the state's DROS paperwork/software are set up to handle "safe" handguns. Since there is no safe rifle list, there will be no change to buying stripped AR rifle frames other than registering them