Would a Prince50 mag lock be kosher under the newly proposed legislation?

[rimfire78]

I've been reading and hearing conflicting definitions as to what SB 249 would do, and how far it would go.
I am only asking questions here, and am not trying to spread any FUD, as some of the info I have heard will undoubtedly be wrong. So, If you are also unsure about this newly proposed law, please don't let my questions confuse you further.

Under SB 249, would a prince 50 mag lock be legal?
You could still remove it with a "tool" so wouldn't it have to be welded to be legal?

And would a featureless rifle be legal? I've been hearing that it would make all mag catches illegal. Including those on semi-auto pistols like the 1911.

Thank you for any light that you can shed on this for me.

[hornswaggled]

It would re-define what is a detachable magazine as it pertains to assault weapons. A magazine that can be released with use of a tool would then be considered detachable.

[killmime1234]

^^^This. Featureless builds are gonna be our future.

[ptoguy2002]

IMHO, allen wrench = tool, and you don't have to disassemble the action to get it out, so no go.
For a normal AR, don't worry about, go featureless.
I'm worried about bullet button guns with <16" barrels and perm flash hider.
Flash hider is an evil feature, so no featureless there. Those folks are going to have to figure something out (and spend more money).

[tenpercentfirearms]

Or just take your upper off your lower and let them sit next to each other in the safe.

[ptoguy2002]

Or just take your upper off your lower and let them sit next to each other in the safe.

What if it isn't an AR type, and the barrel+perm FH is in the receiver?

[hornswaggled]

That brings up a good point, is it possible to pin a 1.5" muzzle brake in place of a flash suppressor on 14.5" barrels? Never heard anyone talk about permanently attached brakes.

[tenpercentfirearms]

What if it isn't an AR type, and the barrel+perm FH is in the receiver?

Can you take it apart to where it is no longer a semi-automatic detachable magazine rifle? Take the bolt out? Take the op rod off? If it can't fire semi-automatic, the law doesn't apply. No constructive possession for AWs in CA.

It is sad it has to sit around the house in pieces, but if you can't reassemble it in 30 seconds, you need to practice more. And the end goal is to eventually defeat all of this in the courts, so it wouldn't be a permanent state of disassembly. However, you keep your firearms and we keep fighting.

[ptoguy2002]

And thinking about a bit further, I may have a problem with my [registered] Barrett M82CA. Theoretically, the mag can come out with a tool and without diss-assembly of the action. I'd have to look, but I think the swing down mag is screwed in.
This one is the DOJ approved one too.
So how does that work, if DOJ approved the Barrett swing down as legal, and now it isn't?
Can I be the lawsuit plaintiff?
Or find one of the guys with the FAL's that DOJ approved, and use them.

[tenpercentfirearms]

And thinking about a bit further, I may have a problem with my [registered] Barrett M82CA. Theoretically, the mag can come out with a tool and without diss-assembly of the action. I'd have to look, but I think the swing down mag is screwed in.
This one is the DOJ approved one too.
So how does that work, if DOJ approved the Barrett swing down as legal, and now it isn't?
Can I be the lawsuit plaintiff?
Or find one of the guys with the FAL's that DOJ approved, and use them.

Now wait a second. So by Barrett M82CA (registered) you mean you registered it under AB50 (or whatever the hell it was) back in 2005-2006 correct?

So it is a registered 50 BMG, but not a registered AW?

I have had a theory about this for years now and I think we might actually get to test it. If I were you, I would not worry about it. Please see this thread.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=124912&highlight=12285

So deep down inside, if anyone ever charged me for 12280 A B or C (now 30600s), I would pull out my .50 BMG registration and remind them that I am a person exempt and cannot be charged with those sections of the penal code.

[ptoguy2002]

Now wait a second. So by Barrett M82CA (registered) you mean you registered it under AB50 (or whatever the hell it was) back in 2005-2006 correct?

So it is a registered 50 BMG, but not a registered AW?

I have had a theory about this for years now and I think we might actually get to test it. If I were you, I would not worry about it. Please see this thread.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=124912&highlight=12285

So deep down inside, if anyone ever charged me for 12280 A B or C (now 30600s), I would pull out my .50 BMG registration and remind them that I am a person exempt and cannot be charged with those sections of the penal code.

The Barrett was a non-AW (fixed mag), registered after the 50 BMG ban. But I do have pre-2000 RAW's.
And I understand the theory from that link, but I sure don't want go first.

[tenpercentfirearms]

The Barrett was a non-AW (fixed mag), registered after the 50 BMG ban. But I do have pre-2000 RAW's.
And I understand the theory from that link, but I sure don't want go first.

I have handled a Barrett M82 .416 and I assume they are the same. I would recommend you simply take it apart.

And again, this is if it even passes.

The other thing you should do is just go back to regular magazine. They can't charge you!

I too keep my guns legit. However, if they ever came at me bro, that is going to be my defense.

[ptoguy2002]

I have handled a Barrett M82 .416 and I assume they are the same. I would recommend you simply take it apart.

And again, this is if it even passes.

The other thing you should do is just go back to regular magazine. They can't charge you!

I too keep my guns legit. However, if they ever came at me bro, that is going to be my defense.

They are different. Barrett made their .416 versions with a bullet button IIRC.
The M82CA has a swing down mag, see below pics.
It can't be taken apart easily.
Can't go back to regular mags, because they welded a block into the receiver so it wouldn't take one. Can't do featureless on .50, it is borderline dangerous, need to have a good grip on it.
Either way I'm F-ed.
I suppose I have an approval letter. And if SB249 is declaratory of existing law, I should still be good?

[Prince50]

[tenpercentfirearms]

How does the swing down magazine remove? Can you just unscrew it with the firearm put together? Then yeah, it is going to be illegal unless you take it apart or rely on 12285 to protect you.

Glad I own one, as I would not mind being the firt test case.

Smoke that Yee.

Darin

Darin Mother Fing Prince everyone!