Top California Democrats rally around new assault weapons bill

[Gray Peterson]

Do you think that is good or bad?

I would have to think he wouldn't like someone messing with his previous work but who knows.

At the moment good.

[Bruceisontarget]

They always supported 2A, just their own version. Heller put an end to that version (collectivism, militia) and McDonald forced it on them (incorporation against states). It's just a matter of time until they are told by the courts that they are wrong.

If they pass the law and we get a preliminary injunction, it will be a hard blow for any future legislation of the kind. If we don't get the injunction and they end up supporting a push to the SCOTUS, we get a chance to get some serious questions answered once and for all.

Sounds great... just one question... what happens if Obama wins re-election and he appoints another Kagen/Sotemeyer to the SCOTUS? Working under the radar.

[njineermike]

Sounds great... just one question... what happens if Obama wins re-election and he appoints another Kagen/Sotemeyer to the SCOTUS? Working under the radar.

But Obama has never done anything to hurt our 2A rights. People on here are saying that all the time, so it must be true.

[jonzer77]

Sounds great... just one question... what happens if Obama wins re-election and he appoints another Kagen/Sotemeyer to the SCOTUS? Working under the radar.

Start at the ballot box and don't vote for Obama!

The aging judges have already stated that they will not retire until there is a POTUS that will replace them with like minds. Pray for their continued health if Obama gets re elected.

[vantec08]

Sounds great... just one question... what happens if Obama wins re-election and he appoints another Kagen/Sotemeyer to the SCOTUS? Working under the radar.

Which is entirely possible, in which case Congress would be irrelevant.

[neouser]

Far better to quote North Dakota (Maine, Vermont) crime numbers which are even lower than the UK with almost no gun control.

Why bother? You can look at the entire US overall and the proof is in the pudding...

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/guns.cfm

EDIT: I should clarify. The link is to emphasize that crime is at it's lowest in almost 2 decades. Well after the federal AWB sunset and after the country was flooded with firearms, crime continues to plummet.

The point is that gun control advocates point at countries like England and Australia as proof that gun control works, and the point of my links was that their data is wrong. Gun control advocates normally try to compare the amount of crime in England/Australia/Japan vs. the US, which creates skewed data. Apples and oranges. The links I posted compare apples to apples. Same country before and after gun control.

As far as I know, gun control advocates have never produced any real stats or evidence that shows that gun control works.

[POLICESTATE]

I am inclined to agree. The theory and process is incrementalism.
Unfortunately for we gunnies it works and is working in California.

Much like the frog in the pot of water being warmed on the stove for cooking.

Ah that's the word I was looking for

[vantec08]

Jerry Brown is silent on the matter.

Yes . . .. . and will roll us up in a heartbeat. Has to make his bones somehow to support his rail boondoggle.

[TempleKnight]

Hey, if you work with us, we'll just take a LITTLE bit of your rights, otherwise we come for them all.

That is not compromise. That is an ultimatum. In a compromise both parties get something.

Exactly!!! They are not clear on the concept of compromise. My idea of compromise would be to eliminate anything in GCA68 and NFA34 that can't be proven to reduce crime. In fact, all laws should have a quantifiable benefit. Since the firearms that they consider AW's account for less than 2% of crimes an AWB would be DOA.

[IVC]

Sounds great... just one question... what happens if Obama wins re-election and he appoints another Kagen/Sotemeyer to the SCOTUS? Working under the radar.

We always have a choice not to appeal to the SCOTUS and avoid getting a case to them. Remember, it took an anti gun zealot in Chicago mayor Daley to get McDonald to the SCOTUS, while Brady's and their ilk were begging him not to appeal.

Finally, it's really hard to go against the recent precedents. More likely they would try to limit other aspects of the RKBA that haven't yet been ruled on. Even the AW laws will already be hard to justify in light of the "common use" in Heller. Currently, we really need a good "carry" case much more than anything else.

[Sgt Raven]

I would like Arkansas since I have friends that live in NWA but I am having a hard time talking the old lady into it. She is okay with Oregon and Texas so far so I still have some more work to do lol.

Have fun with the Chiggers, you can have them. BTDT.

[Santa Cruz Armory]

Using their same logic, why on earth should car companies be able to sell cars in CA that exceed the CA speed limit?? 230 MPH cars?? (Ferrari, Ford GT, Lamborghini, etc) Are you kidding me!?

Wanna see some pissed off liberals? take away their fast BMWs, Porsches, etc.
A gun is nothing more than a hunk of metal and plastic.

Remember this eloquent quote:

“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”
― Col. Jeff Cooper

[SuperSet]

I can't help but think of the now-banned Booshanky when he mentioned that even though he was a hardcore Democrat, he'd be standing side-by-side with us if they came for our guns. Well, they're coming for your bullet button AR. Will those Democrats stand with us now?