Top California Democrats rally around new assault weapons bill

[jonzer77]

Tenessee, South Dakota or Arkansas for me. I'll fight while I'm here, but when I'm gone this place can sink into the sea for all I care.

I would like Arkansas since I have friends that live in NWA but I am having a hard time talking the old lady into it. She is okay with Oregon and Texas so far so I still have some more work to do lol.

[njineermike]

I would like Arkansas since I have friends that live in NWA but I am having a hard talking the old lady into it. She is okay with Oregon and Texas so far so I still have some more work to do lol.

Taker her to Branson. It's an easy sell.

[OleCuss]

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And the NRA looks at gun control as a compromise situation.
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Just a quick note on this part.

I don't think the NRA views this as an area for compromise. I'd be stunned if our NRA lobbyist were not working this issue very hard.

And I'll virtually guarantee that if Brown signs SB249 that the NRA will be racing to file for an injunction. CGF might beat them to the punch, but the NRA will be eager to oppose this.

You can take any sort of jaundiced view of the NRA's reasons for opposition, but for a whole bunch of reasons they will be adamantly opposed to SB249.

[IVC]

...but I am having a hard talking the old lady into it.

Is that really what you meant?

[jamesob]

Lol round em up boys we got the gun banners drooling on this one. Were not screwed go featureless.

? thats like having your balls cut off but your still exited you still have the shaft. it looks funny and is weird to play with.

[jonzer77]

Is that really what you meant?

This is what happens when I type on my cell phone......I sometimes miss a word or two lol.

[adampolo13]

My take on the NRA, CGF, and the other organizations fighting for our civil rights is this.

They have the knowledge of how to effectively apply their political pressure. Just because I don't see the NRA on twitter every 10 seconds blasting Yee and Adam doesn't mean their not working. I am confident that they are working very very hard, we just don't see it because thats how they work best. I think if we calm down, let the NRA etc do their thing, we do ours (emails, phone calls, letters etc) that the end of this fight will prove that our civil rights cannot be infringed.

[bandook]

Yep. As I posted in the other thread about England, crime goes up as gun control grows tighter and tighter...

28 gun crimes PER DAY in 2008.

Rose from 5,209 in 1998/1999 to 9,865 gun crimes in 2009.

Far better to quote North Dakota (Maine, Vermont) crime numbers which are even lower than the UK with almost no gun control.

[mag360]

Some of you will have an "aha" moment when you see what is going on. This just speeds it up a lot.

[a1c]

You will NEVER convince any anti about the correlation (which has yet to be demonstrated by either camp) between gun control and gun violence.

Everytime we go down that path, it's a lost battle, because statistics just don't support either side. Why? Because there are lots of factors at play.

What resonates a LOT more is to point out that areas strongly affected by gun violence (and violence in general) all have one thing in common: poverty, high unemployment, poor education. Those are the root cause of violence.

It's important to adopt that approach, because not only is it the real problem, but most importantly, those are issues that resonate with liberals who tend to be for the large part gun control advocates. Those are things they can only agree with.

[POLICESTATE]

I don't mean on this particular issue, but on other issues with gun control over the years. Sometimes they stand up, sometimes they sit down.

My point is over the years if gun owners had been more active in opposition to any gun control legislation as they are today, well I don't think we'd be where we are today.

Just a quick note on this part.

I don't think the NRA views this as an area for compromise. I'd be stunned if our NRA lobbyist were not working this issue very hard.

And I'll virtually guarantee that if Brown signs SB249 that the NRA will be racing to file for an injunction. CGF might beat them to the punch, but the NRA will be eager to oppose this.

You can take any sort of jaundiced view of the NRA's reasons for opposition, but for a whole bunch of reasons they will be adamantly opposed to SB249.

[Paul S]

I don't mean on this particular issue, but on other issues with gun control over the years. Sometimes they stand up, sometimes they sit down.

My point is over the years if gun owners had been more active in opposition to any gun control legislation as they are today, well I don't think we'd be where we are today.

I am inclined to agree. The theory and process is incrementalism.
Unfortunately for we gunnies it works and is working in California.

Much like the frog in the pot of water being warmed on the stove for cooking.

[Gray Peterson]

Jerry Brown is silent on the matter.

[jonzer77]

Jerry Brown is silent on the matter.

Do you think that is good or bad?

I would have to think he wouldn't like someone messing with his previous work but who knows.

[njineermike]

Do you think that is good or bad?

I would have to think he wouldn't like someone messing with his previous work but who knows.

I'm just hoping he sees this as a bad idea. I have no faith whatsoever in the 9th, and the legislature rubber stamps every bad idea that comes along.