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  • dchang0
    Veteran Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 2772

    Why aren't Calif. politicians afraid of us like national ones are of the NRA?

    It's because we don't have an organized "political victory fund" like the NRA-PVF.

    The Calguns Foundation fights mostly in the courts. We need a parallel organization that fights California politicians where they fear it most: at the ballot box.

    To some degree, all of Calguns is doing this, but not to the point where Calif. anti-gun politicians are afraid for their jobs.

    Case in point: today on Fox News Sunday, Sen. Diane Feinstein was there proudly bringing out her old, tired argument against magazines with more than 10 rounds capacity. All this while even Obama is too cowed by the NRA to even mention the word "gun" in his first public statement about the Aurora shooting. Why the difference? Because Feinstein has no fear about us Calif. pro-gun voters. She knows she's got a lock on her office.

    But we've taken down anti-gunner politicians before--Roberti and Roos were defeated after their infamous gun ban, but not until after the damage was done.

    We need to organize and communicate with each other better and form up a much more united front against anti-gun politicians running for office. This past election, I posted a question about the gun position of Judge Deborah Chuang--nobody had a damned clue (me included) about whether she had been pro-gun or anti-gun.

    That simply means we need to be paying far more attention to what's going on in our own backyard. We've got to vet all candidates (like Yee) and remind them that we're watching their votes and bills. We've got to back pro-gun candidates with dollars and votes and grassroots get-out-the-vote programs. And we've got to be doing this all the time.

    It starts here at calguns.net. We can start sharing info about local politicians who have proven to be anti-gun. Call it "situational awareness." It might be as simple as using sticky threads to compile ongoing info on politicians and their challengers. Somebody, somewhere, has to have read something about Judge Chuang or actually encountered her position on guns, but that info was kept to themselves.

    The next step could be getting the CRPA's election guide out to people in a bigger way and early enough to matter. I remember once getting the CRPA election guide AFTER I'd already voted absentee.

    Someone might say to me: well, if you care so much about this, go do it yourself. Well, that's not how grassroots movements work. It's not one or a handful of people--it's only when there are gazillions of people that the politicians get scared. We can all do this together if we each take a small bite.

    I keep thinking that somebody has to have read something about St. Sen. Yee's anti-gun tendencies long before he caught us off guard. All it takes is posting that little something--maybe a link to an article--on Calguns and spreading the word. Now, a bit late, investigative journalists are digging up dirt on Yee--that stuff could've been seen earlier had we been actively looking.

    So that's what I'm calling for--we need to be far more vigilant and vocal moving forward about our state and local politicians, all towards the goal of eventually gaining the political clout the NRA enjoys at the national level.

    That's a good point too--if we did it there, at nationals, we can do it here, at the state level. We can follow the NRA's template and playbook and win at home! We can later create a CGF-PVF: the Calguns Foundation Political Victory Fund and start stuffing it with money (in addition to funding the regular CGF). First, we'll start by helping to dig up dirt on anti-gun politicians. Then, we'll support pro-gun opponents of these anti-gunners (yes, even if they are liberal Democrats--all we really have to do is show the incumbent we have the power to replace them, even if we don't like the replacement any better). Eventually we'll groom some pro-gun politicians of our own.

    Bit by bit, we'll get there to critical mass and reclaim our rights!
    Last edited by dchang0; 07-23-2012, 3:16 AM.
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    nicki
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 4208

    Cali politicians are safe.

    The reality is most assembly and senate seats are safe seats, we are not going to take an incumbent out. Fortunately they do get term limited out.

    The reality is where we need to be active is in the local city council races and county board of supervisors. Those races are the farm teams for higher office.

    We may have 100K people on Calguns, but only 23K are active and what percentage of those are active in second amendment issues?

    The only way you can make a politician afraid of you is if you had the power to take one down.

    If we had a political termination fund where the purpose of the fund was to be used to take someone's head off and if we could deliver say 1000 man hours of volunteer time and say 100,000 dollars to go with it we would have respect.

    That may be enough to take out a city council member or county board of supervisors.

    If we could deliver 10,000 man hours and say 1 million dollars to go with it, no one would want to screw with us.

    That may be just enough to take out an assemblyman or state senator although IMHO, it would have to be justified because it is a major effort.

    If we had 10,000 committed Calgunnners who would pony up 100 dollars, there would be our million. If everyone of them would commit 1 hour, there is our 10,000 hours.

    Polticians do feel pain like most human beings. Right now we are not in a position to make threats, that is why they don't fear us.

    Nicki

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    • #3
      dwtt
      Calguns Addict
      • Oct 2005
      • 7470

      Originally posted by nicki
      The reality is most assembly and senate seats are safe seats, we are not going to take an incumbent out. Fortunately they do get term limited out.

      Nicki
      This is the reason, gerrymandered districts that lock in Democrat control of the state.

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      • #4
        tenpercentfirearms
        Vendor/Retailer
        • Apr 2005
        • 13007

        Sorry man, but until we can get this gerrymandered state's districts redrawn, you will never win in the legislature. Get a big political fund together if you want, it won't mean a damn thing.

        Don't you think the NRA's war chest isn't available here?

        The politicians aren't afraid because they know they will continue to be voted on by mindless liberals no matter how much anyone else spends. And that is why you don't go mouthing off about your gun rights in California, because you will lose.
        www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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        • #5
          microwaveguy
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 1975

          Originally posted by dwtt
          This is the reason, gerrymandered districts that lock in Democrat control of the state.
          +1 ....... when 70% of the population will vote for you because you have a D next to the name it doesn't matter.
          Limit politicians to two terms. One in office and one in jail.

          Beware of people who are certain they are right. That certainty allows them to justify almost any act in pursuit of their goals. ( Jack campbell , Guardian)

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          • #6
            vantec08
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 3795

            Why aren't Calif. politicians afraid of us like national ones are of the NRA? Mainly because they know how ignorant and arrogant their base is. Throw the base a few emotional frizbies, stroke a couple of liberal G-spots, bad mouth anything that demonstrably works, guarantee that citizen demands on the Treasury get met, and be sure to blame others. Works every time.

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            • #7
              mjmagee67
              Veteran Member
              • Jun 2011
              • 2771

              The liberal strongholds of the LA and SF areas control the state. Simple as that they say fk the rest of Kalifornia they know what's best for everyone. Yet they know nothing about the people who live outside the big chitties, we all should live like then, after all they are all so educated and refined.
              If you want change you have to put in your 2 cents, you can't just sit on the sidelines and whine.

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              • #8
                mag360
                Calguns Addict
                • Jun 2009
                • 5198

                Because too many californians swallow the nasty gun control pill to eat their other ideas they view more important. Personal freedoms and marriage equality.
                just happy to be here. I like talking about better ways to protect ourselves.

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                • #9
                  choprzrul
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 6541

                  Originally posted by nicki
                  The reality is most assembly and senate seats are safe seats, we are not going to take an incumbent out. Fortunately they do get term limited out.

                  The reality is where we need to be active is in the local city council races and county board of supervisors. Those races are the farm teams for higher office.

                  We may have 100K people on Calguns, but only 23K are active and what percentage of those are active in second amendment issues?

                  The only way you can make a politician afraid of you is if you had the power to take one down.

                  If we had a political termination fund where the purpose of the fund was to be used to take someone's head off and if we could deliver say 1000 man hours of volunteer time and say 100,000 dollars to go with it we would have respect.

                  That may be enough to take out a city council member or county board of supervisors.

                  If we could deliver 10,000 man hours and say 1 million dollars to go with it, no one would want to screw with us.

                  That may be just enough to take out an assemblyman or state senator although IMHO, it would have to be justified because it is a major effort.

                  If we had 10,000 committed Calgunnners who would pony up 100 dollars, there would be our million. If everyone of them would commit 1 hour, there is our 10,000 hours.

                  Polticians do feel pain like most human beings. Right now we are not in a position to make threats, that is why they don't fear us.

                  Nicki
                  As usual, Nicki is correct. We are not big enough to take on the establishment as a whole. However, we are big enough to target 1 person in a race for a seat in Sacramento. How much difference that would make is anyone's guess. Additionally, we don't have the infrastructure in place to pursue this.

                  If you want to know why all of this won't work at this point, Brandon explained it very well Here, despite my best efforts to be completely stubborn.

                  .

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                  • #10
                    ja308
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 12660

                    I agree with nearly every comment above except the term limits .

                    I the past we had folks who could poisen a democrat anti gun bill by useing procedural tricks to block lots of bad gun laws .UNFORTUNATELY they are gone because of term limits. (Dick Mountjoy )for one .

                    Further before cali voters were tricked into term limits ,enough pressure could be placed ,by enough people and he would find his job more important than the agenda .
                    Roberti-Roos were NOT termed out! They were taken out !

                    Because of term limits the anti's have no threat of losing their job . attitude is so what IM termed anyway .

                    Those in favor of forced term limits . Please answer , Hows that working out for you ?

                    Lets face it cali does not have a gun culture ,many have moved to other states and we are left with so many uneducated gun owners who fall for anything ,including the idea state govt is better by kicking out legislators based on how long they have been in.

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                    • #11
                      12voltguy
                      Veteran Member
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 4003

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                      • #12
                        advocatusdiaboli
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 5521

                        The liberal bastions of the SF Bay Area and the LA Metro area coupled with gerrymandering districts have given California liberals majority power in the legislature allowing them to put their weight behind key political social issues they use to pander for votes and remain in power: gun control, anti-hunting, fast food bans, anti-smoking, homosexual unions, and support for illegal aliens.

                        Nota Bene: as a social liberal/quasi-libertarian, I support a person's right to do as they please in their private life if not harming others so I am not opposed to all of the above. Individual freedom of choice for most personal decisions and activities that don't harm other's freedoms or rights is my position.

                        In brief, I am certain that no amount of campaign money will fix this in the short run and I am skeptical it can be changed easily in the longer run. I believe this is why most of our financial support goes to the court cases in California. That is the best ROI for our dollar.
                        Benefactor Life Member NRA, Life Member CRPA, CGN Contributor, US Army Veteran, Black Ribbon in Memoriam for the deceased 2nd Amendment
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                        • #13
                          greybeard
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 1086

                          Too many elections, I go to vote and there is only one name on the ballot. Tough to support somebody when they are not running.
                          John

                          The internet is like a 12 step group. Take what you need and leave the rest.

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                          • #14
                            Tack
                            Member
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 231

                            One party state and CRPA (the state nra affiliate) is a limp organization. I work with local candidates but ignore CRPA until it reforms.. and I am a life member in both NRA and CRPA.
                            Calguns and NRA life member.
                            Liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have.

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                            • #15
                              ewarmour
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 904

                              To bad there wasn't some kind of rifle and pistol association here in California that could fight.... oh wait a second, there is. They just ain't worth a ****.
                              Last edited by ewarmour; 07-23-2012, 4:42 PM. Reason: typo
                              NRA Endowment Member | NRA-ILA | Madison Society | Calguns Foundation

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