Doug Giles on CCW

[VegasNick702]

+ he had full armor, helmet throut cover
A sharp shoot with night vision might get him in the eye
or shots fired back could have made him run away who knows

Yea, so he has body armor so lets just give up and throw in the towel before trying.... Oooook. How about aiming for the second large mass, the hips?

[Mendo223]

yea the people who complain and whine that "a CCW holder would have just killed more innocent people" really anger me..

you are basically saying that you would rather them have ZERO defense, zero chance to save lives...

even if a CCW holder accidently shot a few bystanders while shooting holmes, i garuntee the total death and wounded count would have been lower...

its just like how defensive gun use happens over 1 million times a year, yet only 25k people are killed by guns or use htem to commit suicide....even though the numbers favor gun rights, the loony anti gunnies cant seem to rationally comprehend this.

[kimber_ss]

This is a good reason to carry everyday, regardless of whether it's just an ordinary day or a "fun" day. Going to see a movie.

Couldn't help but notice how many news reports were "AW" this "AW" that. Not a lick of knowledge about the right to own an ar in a legal config. for the average citizen.

[Gray Peterson]

yea the people who complain and whine that "a CCW holder would have just killed more innocent people" really anger me..

you are basically saying that you would rather them have ZERO defense, zero chance to save lives...

even if a CCW holder accidently shot a few bystanders while shooting holmes, i garuntee the total death and wounded count would have been lower...

its just like how defensive gun use happens over 1 million times a year, yet only 25k people are killed by guns or use htem to commit suicide....even though the numbers favor gun rights, the loony anti gunnies cant seem to rationally comprehend this.

The gun control movement true believers believe that shooting at the guy 15 seconds in, even if there was any sort of crossfire or backstop problem or something similar, is less preferable to a guy continuing to mow people down for over 2 minutes to the tune of 70 people getting shot.

[vantec08]

This needs to be posted over and over again on the brady facebook page, I would post it myself but they removed my posts for pointing out actual facts and that they use the same fear and propaganda crap they accuse the NRA of doing, so I am banned from posting there. Apparently brady doesnt like the first amendment as much as they dont like the 2nd.

Agree, taco. Brady banned my ip.

[vantec08]

+ he had full armor, helmet throut cover
A sharp shoot with night vision might get him in the eye
or shots fired back could have made him run away who knows

Oh. Well then lets roll over and play dead like good sheep.

[advocatusdiaboli]

I would carry if I could....

Me too, but it won't happen in my county any time soon.

[LHC30]

Exactly! While I believe there may have been at least ONE CCW in the theatre, unless the mindset is there to overcome the chaos this evil man created, an average CCW holder would have been able to make a difference.

However, this should not preclude the existence of CCW holders!

[Werewolf1021]

Wrong. The City of Aurora may have an ordinance, but the ordinance violates state law.

Regents of the University of Colorado v. Students for Concealed Carry on Campus

The point still stands. No chest body armor, just a tac vest.

[advocatusdiaboli]

The point still stands. No chest body armor, just a tac vest.

[12voltguy]

He was wearing a tac vest, not body armor. http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/07/22...eater-shooter/

Its all academic though as Aurora city council ruled no gun signs are law

other reports say different
who to belive,LOL

1 news radio show said 2 people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULvsJVn1H9w&feature=em-uploademail\

[wheels]

Wrong. The City of Aurora may have an ordinance, but the ordinance violates state law.

Regents of the University of Colorado v. Students for Concealed Carry on Campus

So if you are OK with getting guns pointed at you and defending yourself in court, you will probably walk. Sounds like the "play stupid games" scenario - which is what the city council wanted.

[heavybarrel308]

The media and even some of the conservative talk show host that I listen to keep saying that it would have been impossible because this guy had body armor. First thing, body armor stops projectiles from penetrating the body, but the dispersed energy from the round impacting hurts like hell. If you or someone you know that has survived an impact while wearing body armor, sometimes even level IV, has some substantial bruising at the impact site. So if someone was able to defend themselves and others and hit him even on parts of his body covered by the body armor, at the very least should have got his attention. A 230gr. .45 may have knocked him on his rear. Or even a missed shot would have broken his train of though when he realized that someone was returning fire. Second issue was the smoke and darkness. Those of us who have had a military or law enforcement background know to look for the muzzle flash when taking fire, and then some of us have been trained to work through a CS / teargas environment. Also with the advance of technology, many weapon lights and personal lights are very compact and portable. So the theory that NOTHING could have been done by a CCW holder disturbs me. I'm not saying that it would be easy. It would have very been difficult, but having someone there that could have responded would have made a difference. More lives could have been spared.