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**Ctwo** · 07-10-2012, 3:54 PM

Aren't there defined areas of the property that are allocated for business and others for personal private dwelling? I mean, are they obliged to inspect your wife's panty drawer?

**Rossi357** · 07-10-2012, 3:56 PM

Originally posted by DuknBucks

My wife has owned her own business now for 15 years. (In home day care). Periodically the state will come in for "drop in" inspections which hasnt really been an issue before.

It does supprise me that everytime they show up they ask to see the inside of my gun safe? They continue to use the reason that they must "verify" that i have no loaded firearms of ammunition stored inside.

my response to that is the door is clearly locked and a combination is required to open it.......so why does my wife need to open the door for them? During her first visit she did open the door and they just looked in from 5' feet away and said that looks good. what does that acutually acomplish?

I am doing the research on the law that allows them to enter our home and inspect.

My question is how can I legally refuse acess without comprimising her liscense?

Probably by entering in to a license agreement with the state, she gave up the right to deny them entrance to the premesis. If they want the gunsafe open she can tell them she doesn't know the combination.

**meaty-btz** · 07-10-2012, 4:00 PM

change combination, don't tell wife.

**DuknBucks** · 07-10-2012, 4:04 PM

Originally posted by Rossi357

Probably by entering in to a license agreement with the state, she gave up the right to deny them entrance to the premesis. If they want the gunsafe open she can tell them she doesn't know the combination.

that is what i advised her to do and she did...the repsonse given was she must know the combo to show them no ammunition is in there. they want to see in there on the next visit. ( the last one was five years ago)

**DuknBucks** · 07-10-2012, 4:09 PM

Originally posted by Ctwo

Aren't there defined areas of the property that are allocated for business and others for personal private dwelling? I mean, are they obliged to inspect your wife's panty drawer?

I think this may be the key...there are areas "off limits" the kids in care but the aggreement may have acess to the entire house and contents? not sure yet.

**meaty-btz** · 07-10-2012, 4:28 PM

Is the property yours? (aka the Safe) Did you sign any agreement? Tell them to piss off and have Jason Davis on speed dial if they try to kill your wifes license.

Though, this is the price you pay for contracting with the government.

**Alan Block** · 07-10-2012, 4:31 PM

I am glad that they can and do inspect child care facilities given some of the horror stories over the years.

**shadowofnight** · 07-10-2012, 4:33 PM

Access to entire house and yard for inspection, no area is off limits.
They want ammunition separate from firearms, and both locked up as well.

Community Care Licensing

http://www.ccld.ca.gov/res/pdf/RegHighlightsEnglish.pdf

Bottom of page 3, 102417.

**DuknBucks** · 07-10-2012, 4:36 PM

Originally posted by meaty-btz

Is the property yours? (aka the Safe) Did you sign any agreement? Tell them to piss off and have Jason Davis on speed dial if they try to kill your wifes license.

Though, this is the price you pay for contracting with the government.

yes the safe belongs to me. Its been so long since she got certified ...i dont remember ever signing anything other than Live scan paperwork for the criminal background checks.

**DuknBucks** · 07-10-2012, 4:46 PM

Originally posted by Alan Block

I am glad that they can and do inspect child care facilities given some of the horror stories over the years.

A locked safe is a locked safe......the kids have no acess what so ever. I think this is a perfect example of "over reaching" authority by the state.

**Scream_4637** · 07-10-2012, 5:05 PM

Originally posted by DuknBucks

A locked safe is a locked safe......the kids have no acess what so ever. I think this is a perfect example of "over reaching" authority by the state.

I agree...

My wife does the same thing. I keep my safe in one of the off-limits room. Lady did not inspect safe or ask about it during last inspection (about 3 weeks ago).

Let me know what you find out because I also read that ammo and guns need to be separate as well.

**littlejake** · 07-10-2012, 5:08 PM

Originally posted by shadowofnight

Access to entire house and yard for inspection, no area is off limits.
They want ammunition separate from firearms, and both locked up as well.

Community Care Licensing

http://www.ccld.ca.gov/res/pdf/RegHighlightsEnglish.pdf

Bottom of page 3, 102417.

The language seems pretty clear.

***paul0660*** · 07-10-2012, 5:16 PM

The language seems pretty clear.

It does. It is the responsibility of the provider to follow those rules. Once the inspector is aware of the safe, they have the authority and responsibility to make certain the rules are adhered to. This has nothing to do with kids and guns. It has to do with applying and getting a license and following the requirements of the license.

**Kukuforguns** · 07-10-2012, 5:22 PM

There you go. If child care services are not provided in the room with the safe and if children have no access to the room with the safe, then you are not required to permit the Department to inspect that room. At the next visit, politely advise the inspectors that no children are ever present in that room and point out the above regulation.

If children do have access to that room, then the Department has an excellent argument that they can see the insides of the safe.

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