Mag magnet as a tool?

[taperxz]

If Yee reduces his bill to JUST the mag magnet, what are the chances of this going to court to show that the MM is still a tool?


Sure it temporarily attaches itself but so do "C clamps" as well as vise grips, vises, wood clamps ect. ALL considered tools. They just have different applications.

[foxtrotuniformlima]

I think the issue is that the use of a Mag Magnet inside CA on a non-RAW rifle is already a crime under SB23. Do we need another law that says the same thing ? ( The answer is no BTW )

[taperxz]

I think the issue is that the use of a Mag Magnet inside CA on a non-RAW rifle is already a crime under SB23. Do we need another law that says the same thing ? ( The answer is no BTW )

Other than your speculation. Show me proof

[bigdawg86]

***DEVILS ADVOCATE TALK*** Magnetism is actually something that could be defined as an "act if god" which is partially defined as "caused by natural forces without any human interference". There is no mechanical attachment... just because your car is being held to the pavement via gravity nobody would ever say that it is attached would they? Somebody call up Steven Hawking... he will put this dilemma to rest.

[taperxz]

***DEVILS ADVOCATE TALK*** Magnetism is actually something that could be defined as an "act if god" which is partially defined as "caused by natural forces without any human interference". There is no mechanical attachment... just because your car is being held to the pavement via gravity nobody would ever say that it is attached would they? Somebody call up Steven Hawking... he will put this dilemma to rest.

There are certainly many tools that are magnetized

[Peter.Steele]

***DEVILS ADVOCATE TALK*** Magnetism is actually something that could be defined as an "act if god" which is partially defined as "caused by natural forces without any human interference". There is no mechanical attachment... just because your car is being held to the pavement via gravity nobody would ever say that it is attached would they? Somebody call up Steven Hawking... he will put this dilemma to rest.

This is an intriguing line of speculation.

I seriously doubt that it will ever go anywhere that we want it to go, but it is very interesting, all the same.

[Oneaudiopro]

Hmmm

Other than your speculation. Show me proof

Unless there have been arrests recently, I only know of one arrest for having a mag-magnet and the DA declined to prosecute the case. It has never been scrutinized in our courts yet so its anyones guess on what the outcome might be. I personally wouldn't own any gun with a BB, but for those that do, the risk is all yours.

[taperxz]

Unless there have been arrests recently, I only know of one arrest for having a mag-magnet and the DA declined to prosecute the case. It has never been scrutinized in our courts yet so its anyones guess on what the outcome might be. I personally wouldn't own any gun with a BB, but for those that do, the risk is all yours.

You need to re read the OP. if Yee gets the mag magnet ruled illegal, (SB 249) can this be taken to court to over turn the law showing that the MM IS a tool and thus legal to use. There are many tools that are used that are magnetized or actually attach themselves to the job at hand.

[ohnozombeez]

My heads spinning with everyone's speculation......I at first tried to understand and 'get' what in the world he's trying to take away from us. Also from what I understand he's trying to get us to handover our $800+ weapon with no kind of compensation. Hhmmm.....I wonder how many will follow that???? On a different note.....You guys said 'tool'!!!!

[kf6tac]

You need to re read the OP. if Yee gets the mag magnet ruled illegal, (SB 249) can this be taken to court to over turn the law showing that the MM IS a tool and thus legal to use. There are many tools that are used that are magnetized or actually attach themselves to the job at hand.

My guess would be that the court would say that the legislature can define "tool" however it wants. Kind of like how the current regulations can say that a magazine that can be removed with a tool is not considered detachable, even though it still detaches in the regular sense of the word.

[Shotgun Man]

My guess would be that the court would say that the legislature can define "tool" however it wants. Kind of like how the current regulations can say that a magazine that can be removed with a tool is not considered detachable, even though it still detaches in the regular sense of the word.

Sure, but the legislature has not defined tool, so a court should use the common, ordinary meaning.

[BigDogatPlay]

Possession of a Mag Magnet is not illegal now, only the use of it on a mag locked rifle. Labeling the device itself illegal now is not correct. It is, really, a 'tool' under the definition of the regulations now, IMO. It's magnetic property alone sets it apart because it can be 'attached'. If all mag releases were made of non-ferrous metal it wouldn't be an issue.

Based on the intrinsic property of magnetism, and the clear intent of the design, I doubt that a court would find in our favor were the Mag Magnet to be banned outright and we were to challenge on the grounds proposed.

[phrogg111]

Well, when I talked to the forest rangers when they were harassing me (not today, but a month or so ago), they said they'd already confiscated 6 rifles before they even reached us. They said a few of them had mag magnets, and the gun shop that told my friend to buy a mag magnet for his AR build was dead wrong.

[FairfaxCA]

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[SA227driver]

My heads spinning with everyone's speculation......I at first tried to understand and 'get' what in the world he's trying to take away from us. Also from what I understand he's trying to get us to handover our $800+ weapon with no kind of compensation. Hhmmm.....I wonder how many will follow that???? On a different note.....You guys said 'tool'!!!!

Who said anything about handing over weapons to authorities. No way is that happening. I'll find a good friend with a safe in a neighboring free state before turning in anything.