The Supreme Court...?

[ubet]

This is California. Obama will win. California is a winner take all state. Voting for anyone other than Obama is a wasted vote. Repeat this over and over and over again in your head.

I'm going to waste my vote. I haven't decided if it will be on Romney or someone else.

I dont know, obummer might not win in Ca. Even in this communist stronghold, I think people can see what he and his policies have done to ruin the country.

[Gray Peterson]

If that were true wouldn't the 14th amendment prohibit winner-take-all distribution of each state's electoral votes as most states use?

No, electoral college.

[dfletcher]

I dont know, obummer might not win in Ca. Even in this communist stronghold, I think people can see what he and his policies have done to ruin the country.

That he is required to spend time and money here, and in NY for that matter, is a bit of a victory. Time and money are finite in this campaign (well at least time is ) and when he's campaigning and spending advertising dollars here he's not doing so in VA, OH, FL and so on.

[wireless]

This is California. Obama will win. California is a winner take all state. Voting for anyone other than Obama is a wasted vote. Repeat this over and over and over again in your head.

I'm going to waste my vote. I haven't decided if it will be on Romney or someone else.

While I agree Obama will win California, you are using the term "waste" like it's a meaningless act. There is nothing meaningless in voting. Even if the other side is likely to win, it's not "wasted".

[Bhobbs]

While I agree Obama will win California, you are using the term "waste" like it's a meaningless act. There is nothing meaningless in voting. Even if the other side is likely to win, it's not "wasted".

I don't believe voting the way you feel is a waste. I just said that because that's how the person I replied to said it.

[Meplat]

While I agree Obama will win California, you are using the term "waste" like it's a meaningless act. There is nothing meaningless in voting. Even if the other side is likely to win, it's not "wasted".

You fight because you are right. Not because you are going to win! Where would we be if the defenders of Lexington Green had refused to fight unless they were assured of victory?

But you do need to carefully pick the hills you are willing to die on. The defeat of Obummer is a hill I will happily defend to the death. Romney? Well, we can deal with that later.

[kcbrown]

While I agree Obama will win California, you are using the term "waste" like it's a meaningless act. There is nothing meaningless in voting. Even if the other side is likely to win, it's not "wasted".

People who argue for a vote in favor of the "lesser of two evils" argue that any other vote is wasted, because the vote goes towards someone who cannot win.

You cannot argue that and, simultaneously, argue that a vote for anyone other than the sure winner (when there is a sure winner, as is the case with Obama in California) is not a wasted vote, precisely because the justification for the vote being wasted is the same, namely that the person you're voting for has no chance of winning.


So which is it? Is a vote for the guy who cannot win wasted or not?

[wireless]

Yeah. I completely disagree. I was about to type out this long thing, but I'm deciding against it.

No matter who you vote for it isn't wasted. I don't know how anyone could believe otherwise.

Just because someone most likely won't win, doesn't mean the votes wasted. You are still standing tall for what you believe in. What's the alternative? vote for the person you don't like or maybe sit on your *** and not vote at all? Those two options seem like the biggest waste to me.

[kcbrown]

Yeah. I completely disagree. I was about to type out this long thing, but I'm deciding against it.

No matter who you vote for it isn't wasted. I don't know how anyone could believe otherwise.

Just because someone most likely won't win, doesn't mean the votes wasted. You are still standing tall for what you believe in. What's the alternative? vote for the person you don't like or maybe sit on your *** and not vote at all? Those two options seem like the biggest waste to me.

Yep.

That said, I'm going to vote for Romney in the main presidential race anyway, knowing that it's a wasted vote, as a hedge against the remote possibility that he might win California. His chance of winning is essentially nil, but the chance of anyone else winning is even less.

No, it won't send a message. No, it won't do any good. It's strictly a hedge and nothing more.

[k1dude]

Really? Blatant, transparent lies and crude insults that a high school kid that passed his civic class can see right through are going to support the cause, here? That's the plan?

Lies? Insults? Your high school indoctrination by leftist teachers did you no favors in your civics class. And that's a big part of the problem.

Don't presume to tell me who and what a communist is. I lived under communism and my family escaped with our very lives from communism. We lost almost EVERYTHING but our lives. You live here in the US in your little insulated shell spouting all sorts of nonesense and HAVE NO F**KING CLUE what the hell you're talking about.

This once great nation is being destroyed from within by imbedded communists in media, government, and education while all of you fat, lazy, pampered citizens fiddle away watching American Idol. The same thing is happening here that happened where I came from and NO ONE is doing a damn thing about it. You keep voting for it for Chissakes!!! My family is petrified and we feel like we're living through "Groundhog Day." You're about to lose your vaunted Republic and you don't even care. One day you'll wake up and it's gone. And you'll wonder what the hell happened. I'll tell you exactly what happened. Look in the mirror. You and your ilk passively and actively participated.

As Ayn Rand once said "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." What do you think Obama has been doing? He has been ruling by dictate. His weapons are Executive Orders, appointments without approval of Congress, leaks, treaties, and nationalization. There have been no votes. It has been by force. And what few changes he actually used the vote, it was gladly granted by idiots in Congress and the public. Yes you, the American public, are idiots. You have no idea how good you have it and you're willingly giving it away.

Another quote you should familiarize yourself with is by an American socialist, Norman Thomas. He once said "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."

You sir, are the problem. I'm sorry if the truth hurts your ever so delicate and sensitive psyche. Grow up and grow some balls and fight for your damn country for once in your life. Use your gray matter before it atrophies. For sooner than you know, it will be too late. My family has been there, done that.

[SilverTauron]

This once great nation is being destroyed from within by imbedded communists in media, government, and education while all of you fat, lazy, pampered citizens fiddle away watching American Idol. The same thing is happening here that happened where I came from and NO ONE is doing a damn thing about it. You keep voting for it for Chissakes!!! My family is petrified and we feel like we're living through "Groundhog Day." You're about to lose your vaunted Republic and you don't even care. One day you'll wake up and it's gone. And you'll wonder what the hell happened. I'll tell you exactly what happened. Look in the mirror. You and your ilk passively and actively participated.

As Ayn Rand once said "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." What do you think Obama has been doing? He has been ruling by dictate. His weapons are Executive Orders, appointments without approval of Congress, leaks, treaties, and nationalization. There have been no votes. It has been by force. And what few changes he actually used the vote, it was gladly granted by idiots in Congress and the public. Yes you, the American public, are idiots. You have no idea how good you have it and you're willingly giving it away.

Another quote you should familiarize yourself with is by an American socialist, Norman Thomas. He once said "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."

You sir, are the problem. I'm sorry if the truth hurts your ever so delicate and sensitive psyche. Grow up and grow some balls and fight for your damn country for once in your life. Use your gray matter before it atrophies. For sooner than you know, it will be too late. My family has been there, done that.

"So this is how democracy ends:with applause"

That quote by the character of Padme Amidala is the only positive thing I gained from seeing the last Star Wars prequel movie. Its how all this will play out, eventually:because a majority of Americans already live under socialism and think rural America is under some kind of weird psychosis for not wanting to join the club. California is just one part of the picture-plenty of people in Chicago, New York City, NJ, Baltimore, and other places fully believe that communism is a better alternative to our " backwards and exploitative" capitalist republic. These people believe completely that what Soviet Russia and modern day China screwed up we can somehow get right by sheer luck.


What is one man's unconstitutional infringment is another man's idea of progress. We sit here and condemn expansion of government and gun laws, but for every one of us on this site there are ten souls who believe freedom really is a public safety hazard-and who would vote out the USC as we know it if they could. Its a sad historical record, but looking at the issue that way it would seem that a vast majority of humankind is just fine and dandy with living under a repressive regime as long as they personally don't have to do much thinking.

[vincewarde]

It may be hard to get cloture on one nominee that goes up after September 1. I can't imagine that 2 would get acted upon in that timeframe.

Yeah, but if it looks real bad for Obama (as it does now - an incumbent who is going to win would typically be much higher than he is now) - I would not be surprised to see one or more liberal justices pull the plug over the summer.

It might be risky - but if a replacement was not confirmed before Romney took over, I am sure they would withdraw their resignation. That could be very interesting......

[Gray Peterson]

200 million people, and 41 states, treat carrying a firearm for personal protection as normal.

100 million, in 9 states, do not.

How do we lose, again?

[bwiese]

Romney doesn't need to stand up for the 2A. The congress is unlikely to send him any anti-gun laws for him to decide on. All that matters is SCOTUS appointments, which are not possible to be worse than Obama's.

% THIS, 100%

Other folks just don't get it.

[bwiese]

Trying to redefine certain shotguns out of "sporting use" class.
Attempting to stop used military brass to be reloaded on the secondary market
Requiring the reporting of multi-gun purchases to the ATF.

Yup.

Denying the repatriation of WWII Korean weapons etc. etc. etc.

There are some separate contractual/ownership issues I recall coming into play that made this far less clear as an actual 'gun' issue.

The lack of such a tivities alone suggests that W's administration was, at the very least, not threatening to our 2A rights.

PLCAA for the win! PLCAA saved the 2nd -if Heller/McDonald hadn't come around. We would have been sued out of existence by 2012 if PLCAA hadn't passed.

I will note that GWB specifically extended personal/WH active support for PLCAA passage.

It is an excellent analog to Jerry Brown's AG tenure. Not actively moving against us is far superior to being actively antagonistic.

Yup. Even with a few bad bills he signed, the really bad ones he didn't, and some of these have workarounds.