Educating gun store owners?

[mud99]

I just got back from doing a PPT on a Saiga from a local gun store.

When the store owner saw we were transferring a Saiga, he said "We don't transfer AK's"

I told him it isn't an AK, it is a Saiga.

He said it's the same thing and it is illegal because it has a detachable magazine.

Meanwhile, 3 feet to my right, they are showing a customer an M1A with more evil features than the Saiga has.

I politely informed him that it doesn't have a pistol grip, so is perfectly legal.

He got really pissed off, and said "i'm not transferring it but one of you can", to one of his employees behind the counter and stormed off, and we proceeded with the transfer.

So here is my question - how do we educate ignorant store owners about what is legal and what is not? I have seen and heard so much FUD regarding legal issues in gun stores, and the worst part is that many of these stores seem unwilling to change even when you call them out on their misinformation.

The flowcharts are good on their own, but is their any sort of a booklet created to guide FFL's through all of the various laws?

[wildhawker]

www.calffl.org and www.calgunsfoundation.org.

Help us reach out to more gun dealers. Make sure your FFLs are part of the solution.

-Brandon

[Decoligny]

If an illiterate person sees no reason to learn how to read, how can you teach them to read? You can't.

Same thing here. The gun store workers/owners who think they know all the answers are simply unwilling to even admit that they don't. Therefore, any attempt to educate them on what the law really says is seen by them as an attempt to make them look stupid.

So, just find the places where they actually know their posterior from a hole in the ground, and do business there.

[Curley Red]

So the store owner said he would not do it because it was illegal, but he had no problem letting one of his other employee's doing it. this makes no sense to me what so ever.

If it is his shop, his is still responsible no matter which employee does the transfer.

[ICONIC]

Find another FFL to do the transfer, (in the future). I would rather drive a little further, than to support an FFL who spreads FUD.

I stopped going to Martin B. Retting after I got hassled for wanting to transfer some OLLs. I do all my business at Ammos Bros in Cerritos and I never have had a single issue.

[paul0660]

So the store owner said he would not do it because it was illegal, but he had no problem letting one of his other employee's doing it. this makes no sense to me what so ever.

Yes, if the owner was the person who said that, he doesn't even know what CYA means.

I have had success being mild and reasonable in gun shops, allowing them to educate me, and politely asking to see the rule in the book (which they do have, somewhere). It is uncomfortable when they cannot find it.

[fd15k]

Yes, if the owner was the person who said that, he doesn't even know what CYA means.

I have had success being mild and reasonable in gun shops, allowing them to educate me, and politely asking to see the rule in the book (which they do have, somewhere). It is uncomfortable when they cannot find it.

I brought my copy of Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide once to a PPT of a C&R handgun. Gun store employee said the law in the book does not exist, because it's a 2005 publication (transfer was taking place in 2010).

[mud99]

I have seen a whole lot more fail at this gun store as well. They don't clear guns that customers bring in AT ALL, allowing them to wave an unknown gun around the store, they treat customers like crap, and they give bad legal advice to people.

On one occasion I overheard a woman who said her late husband had a revolver, and she didn't know if it was loaded but she wanted to bring it in to sell it.

They advised her to stick it a paper bag and bring it into the store and they would figure it out. They could have shown her a revolver and given her a brief safety demonstration, but instead they advise her to commit a crime and endanger her safety.

On another occasion, A coworker of mine went into the store, picked out a handgun, and was in the process of buying it. Then another customer started asking questions, and the guy grabbed the gun, stuck the gun back in the display case and literally said "we're busy, come back later"

As to why I don't go elsewhere - I bring all my PPT's there because it is close by, they always have room in their lock up, and I figure they lose money on it anyway, so why would I bring a PPT to a store I like?

I hate the store, but I would rather they get their act in order so that one day they are a decent store.

[mud99]

Yes, that was the funniest part.

So the store owner said he would not do it because it was illegal, but he had no problem letting one of his other employee's doing it. this makes no sense to me what so ever.

If it is his shop, his is still responsible no matter which employee does the transfer.

[CSACANNONEER]

Out the store so, I know where to avoid.

[mud99]

It is in the Bay Area. If any of you would like to know which store, PM me and I will tell you privately. I don't want them to know who I am as they are in possession of my property

[mud99]

It is in the Bay Area. If any of you would like to know which store, PM me and I will tell you privately. I don't want them to know who I am as they are in possession of my property

[SJgunguy24]

Nowhere does it say one needs to be a grown up to have an FFL, only you must be 21.
If I'm wrong, I'll admit it, if I don't know, we'll look it up. That's part of being an adult, admitting your shortcomings and doing something about it.
Now when I see other FFL's lying for profit, I'll say something and I'll have the proof to back it up.

[SJgunguy24]

It is in the Bay Area. If any of you would like to know which store, PM me and I will tell you privately. I don't want them to know who I am as they are in possession of my property

Sportsman Supply

[mud99]

Nope, this store is way worse than that, and further north.