How do we get fair weather firearm owners on our side?

[The Original Godfather]

Thats some crazy quote. Who said that if you know?

Honestly, I can't remember. I think I may have read it in a text book. This was about 8 years ago. If I had to take a stab at it, I would say it was a quote written by a Jew in one of the ghettos in a diary or postwar interview.

Definitely makes you think though. To this day, that quote is in ingrained in my memory...

[rimfire78]

On Friday I asked two of my gun owning co-workers for their addresses so I could sign them up for the NRA. I told them about all the great discounts and insurance they could get.
One of them texted me yesterday to tell me he had joined and needed to know which magazine to subscribe to.

There's one.

[The Original Godfather]

^ Awesome!


If they're married, sign up the spouse too.

[JSolie]

How do we get these fair weather firearm owners on our side?

"Well, guys, once they finish with this state, they're heading your way. I guess you won't mind if your calls for help fall on deaf ears..."

"Ever heard of a story called 'The Little Red Hen?'"

"You snooze, you lose."

[NIDDLE]

Hi all. I wouldn't call myself a "fair weather gun owner", maybe just new/not all that informed or up on what's going on. After reading this thread and another like it I was moved by what I was reading to get in the fight with the rest. I would like to keep my rights intact, be it 2a or freedom of speech. Once one goes they will all start to follow. Donated to CGF and joined NRA, will continue to as funds permit. Thanks!

[Quser.619]

I don't take offense when CA is belittled. Our laws are ridiculous, not just our gun laws. Both of our Senators absolutely lie about guns. It does hurt, because in a way they are right. However, I always say that it will CA & other anti2A states/cities that will be where the 2a is actually strengthened.

[Drivedabizness]

Remember that in the vast majority of states, people simply can't comprehend the level of F'd up CA has become.

What was once envy has, over the last 30 years or so, become derision. I am not surprised that one might hear a whiff of "you made your own bed, lie in it". Especially as our leaders continue to try and set the agenda on so many issues (see vehicle and later carbon emissions, land use, allowing government unions naked use of power and millions of foreign nationals to pitch camp and latch onto the public teat, to name just a few).

Right or wrong, many of our fellow citizens feel we have the government we deserve.

As a people - it IS our fault. Californians want to be enlightened, and fair and generous. No one wants to be branded as mean and ungenerous.

Most of us spend so much time trying to make a better life for ourselves and our kids that we focus on that to the detriment of the vigilance good self government requires.

I despair in that I sometimes feel too many of my fellow Californians lack the fortitude to demand better government. But maybe we can make it happen, one issue at a time.

[sakosf]

The trend of the changing demographics of California does not bode well for us.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/ca/california_romney_vs_obama-2009.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

[berto]

The trend of the changing demographics of California does not bode well for us.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/ca/california_romney_vs_obama-2009.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...llege_map.html

The question is how we react to the demographic shift? Becoming more insular ain't the answer. Move the 2A fight away from the old white male conservative demographic. There's no reason those who identify as democrats, greens, independents, etc. need be seen as anti-2A. The 2A fight is a fight for fundamental civil rights with natural allies across the spectrum whether they own guns or not. Insisting that it's a conservative republican issue and those on the right are our only base of support is part of the reason we're in the hole we're in. We need to stop polluting 2A issues with unrelated stuff.

[curtisfong]

Becoming more insular ain't the answer.

Nobody wants to hear this reality.

[Dreaded Claymore]

Nobody wants to hear this reality.

Except, y'know, me. And a lot of other people on Calguns. Like Steyrlp10 who is not an old white male.

[sakosf]

The problem is the type of politician the changing demographic votes for is very often not a friend of gun owners. There are exceptions of course

[Lagduf]

Hi all. I wouldn't call myself a "fair weather gun owner", maybe just new/not all that informed or up on what's going on. After reading this thread and another like it I was moved by what I was reading to get in the fight with the rest. I would like to keep my rights intact, be it 2a or freedom of speech. Once one goes they will all start to follow. Donated to CGF and joined NRA, will continue to as funds permit. Thanks!

Truly, thank you.

[berto]

The problem is the type of politician the changing demographic votes for is very often not a friend of gun owners. There are exceptions of course

Correct, but what's to stop our side from supporting pro-2A dems? We've allowed perception to become reality, our cause to be taken for granted, and we continue to keep digging our hole deeper.

The new primary system, where the top two candidates regardless of party advance, might yield positive results if we're willing to drop the right/left dogma in favor of (civil)right/wrong. Republicans have zero shot in most urban districts but a dem who favors 2A rights can advance to run against an anti dem in the general election. There will always be high hurdles in bucking the party and challenging an incumbent but there will be spots where it's possible to elect a pro-2A dem if our side is willing to get on board. I'm not fond of sending another tax and spend progressive to Sac. but reality in my district is it's going to happen regardless so I ought to get something out of it. We really don't have any other options outside of court.

[TTT]

Well, the first thing you can do is stop blaming them for your problems.

Maybe you didn't vote for the anti-gun politicians, but they were elected nonetheless. They are your government, not someone else's. If you can't control them, just exactly what do you expect people in other states to do about it?

As to the nonsense about CA gun laws spreading to other states, well, that simply flies in the face of what has occurred, and is actually occurring on almost a daily basis.

Wow, never thought I would see reality intrude into the CG echo chamber. Nice.