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  • #16
    abinsinia
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2015
    • 4060

    Originally posted by ll-Rafael-ll
    Crazy talk, but couldn't an unmarked pin be bought off the shelf for cents on the dollar and replace the microstamping one?
    It's possible, however SB-452 makes it a crime ,

    27534.

    (a) A person who modifies a microstamping-enabled pistol or microstamping component with the intent to prevent the production of a microstamp is, for a first offense, guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six months, by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment, and for a second or subsequent offense, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail of not more than one year, by a fine of not more than two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment.

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    • #17
      Capybara
      CGSSA Coordinator
      CGN Contributor
      • Feb 2012
      • 14589

      Originally posted by ll-Rafael-ll
      Crazy talk, but couldn't an unmarked pin be bought off the shelf for cents on the dollar and replace the microstamping one?
      Of course. Then Commifornia will make replacing your microstamped firing pin in your new microstamped gun a felony. Then they'll demand that you replace all of your existing firing pins in your existing guns with microstamped, registered firing pins. See how this all works? Whatever tyranny they reign down on us, if you fight back or outsmart them, they will crush you like a bug legally. Our enemy Demons are nothing if not completely and utterly predictable.
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      • #18
        bwiese
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        • Oct 2005
        • 27614

        Originally posted by abinsinia

        It's possible, however SB-452 makes it a crime ,
        Increases the market for abrasive-head ammo ;-)

        Bill Wiese
        San Jose, CA

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        • #19
          abinsinia
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2015
          • 4060

          Originally posted by bwiese

          Increases the market for abrasive-head ammo ;-)
          I'm would suspect the conclusions are wrong in the findings. I would be curious for someone to actually get a microscope and try one of these supposed firing pins with different ammo and see what happens with the stamps. The roster test labs had to shoot 1000 rounds with clear stamps. I don't know if they every actually did the test tho.

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          • #20
            TrappedinCalifornia
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2018
            • 8009

            Bear in mind that, last year, New Jersey's Attorney General released a similar report citing that microstamping was viable... 2024 MICROSTAMPING VIABILITY Report

            ...The Attorney General has designated the Statewide Affirmative Firearms Enforcement (SAFE) Office to conduct this statutorily-required investigation into the technological viability of microstamping-enabled firearms. As discussed further below, SAFE’s investigation focused on the specific question of whether technology exists that can impart a readily associable mark on an expended cartridge case with regularity, including after sustained firing. This report summarizes SAFE’s factual findings and provides a recommendation to the Attorney General regarding whether to certify that viable microstamping-enabled technology exists. This report has been prepared solely for the Attorney General’s benefit, and is not to be construed to provide or establish any benefit to third parties...

            In sum, eight of the ten samples reproduced the entirety of the gear code, as well as at least half of the alphanumeric characters. Of the remaining two samples, one reproduced 80% of the gear code and seven of eight alphanumeric characters—a significant amount of information to aid a forensic examiner in associating a cartridge with the gun from which it was fired. The other reproduced 50% of both the gear code and the alphanumeric characters, which although incomplete could nevertheless be useful to a forensic examiner...

            SAFE’s factual findings support the conclusion that microstamping-enabled firearms are technologically viable. SAFE’s live-fire testing of a prototype microstamping-enabled firearm showed a successful transfer of a readily associable geometric marker even after fifty rounds were fired. When the geometric marker transfer was not complete, the cartridge cases nonetheless contained substantial transfers of the geometric marker or alphanumeric characters that conveyed legible, associable information for forensic examiners. The 2012 peer-reviewed study lends further support to microstamping’s technological viability. That study showed over 90% successful transfer rates of associable alphanumeric characters to cartridge cases from a microstamping-enabled Sig Sauer model P226 and a microstamping enabled Taurus model PT609. Based on these findings, and the Attorney General’s performance standards for microstamping technology in microstamping-enabled firearms, we recommend that the Attorney General certify that viable microstamping-enabled technology exists...

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            • #21
              Capybara
              CGSSA Coordinator
              CGN Contributor
              • Feb 2012
              • 14589

              Can't have those MAGA white Christian Nationalists buying pistols with an asterisk next to them, unacceptable!
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              • #22
                Kyle1886
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                • Dec 2009
                • 3355

                Think I'll keep my fixed firing pin revolvers; maybe their value just increased.

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                • #23
                  DolphinFan
                  Veteran Member
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 2551

                  What a total joke. NO ONE has to comply with this nonsense.
                  Bruen eliminated the right of the state to regulate firearms under the 10th Amendment in this way.
                  States MAY designate "Sensitive Places" where firearms are prohibited. That's about it.
                  And because they have NO IDEA how firearms work, they don't realize that the firing pin doesn't hit the case it hits the primer.
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                  • #24
                    arrix
                    Veteran Member
                    • May 2012
                    • 3146

                    Originally posted by Misterclick
                    So ridiculous, SMH. Silly politicians, they forgot to ban brass catchers first.
                    and sandpaper.
                    There is no week nor day nor hour, when tyranny may not enter upon this country, if the people lose their supreme confidence in themselves -- and lose their roughness and spirit of defiance -- Tyranny may always enter -- there is no charm, no bar against it -- the only bar against it is a large resolute breed of men.

                    -Walt Whitman

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                    • #25
                      DCoakley
                      Member
                      • Jun 2023
                      • 276

                      This will go into Jan 1 2028. Then back to court. Meanwhile, private entities will taught their technology of viability.

                      You'll not be able to ptt your unsafe/microstamp firearm.

                      I hope none of the manufacturers of firearms do not accept this and produce nothing.

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