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  • rod
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2006
    • 2245

    George Bush for gun control

    That's what the teaser on the news said last night. What did "W" sign that prevents mentally disturbed people from owning firearms? I heard something on the news lastnight about it but they didn't say much. I figured I'd read about it here but I don't see anything posted yet. I'll go look at the news websites now and see if I can find anything more.

    OK, I found this...http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...,7782770.story

    Bush signs long-stalled gun-control legislation
    BY CAROL EISENBERG | carol.eisenberg@newsday.com
    January 9, 2008
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    Digg Del.icio.us Facebook Fark Google Newsvine Reddit Yahoo Print Reprints Post Comment Text size: WASHINGTON - President George W. Bush signed the nation's first new gun-control legislation in 14 years yesterday to help keep guns out of the hands of the dangerously mentally ill, and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy immediately announced she would take her crusade to the next step.

    This time, she and others want to close the so-called "gun show loophole" that allows some dealers to sell firearms without background checks.

    The Mineola Democrat, elected on a platform of gun control after her husband was slain in 1993 by a gunman on the Long Island Rail Road, said she hopes her next effort doesn't take as long.




    It was more than five years ago that she and Democratic New York Sen. Charles Schumer introduced bills to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill people after the double slaying of a priest and a parishioner inside a Lynbrook church.

    After years of being stalled in the Senate, the bill gained momentum in the spring after Virginia Tech student Seung-Hui Cho mowed down 32 people with two recently purchased guns - even though a judge's finding that he was "a danger to himself" should have disqualified him from buying weapons. Cho killed himself after the rampage. In the Long Island case, the gunman also was able to purchase firearms despite his diagnosis as a paranoid schizophrenic.

    The law will earmark up to $250 million a year to states and state courts to automate records on mentally ill people and forward the information to the FBI for inclusion in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. That information will be used to disallow from buying a gun anyone who is seriously mentally ill, a criminal or who has a restraining order against them for domestic violence.

    Schumer, who championed the bill's passage in the Senate, said that when he and McCarthy met with parishioners at Our Lady of Peace Church after that shooting, "no one imagined it would take five years."

    "Had it become law earlier," he added, "it may well have saved the lives" of 32 students at Virginia Tech.

    Schumer agreed that the next item on the gun-control agenda would be to require background checks in every gun sale, but predicted that would be harder to get passed because of opposition by the National Rifle Association. The law signed yesterday, in contrast, had NRA support.

    Next target: gun-show sales

    The next item on the gun-control agenda is a bill that would require background checks for all firearms purchased at an estimated 4,000 yearly gun shows, flea markets and swap meets. While federally licensed firearms dealers are required to do criminal background checks when they sell guns at these events, unlicensed individuals who set up tables right next to them are exempt in most states. They account for a quarter to a half of all gun-show vendors and are sought out by criminals who want to buy guns with no questions asked, law enforcement officials say. The bill was introduced Jan. 4, 2007, by Rep. Michael Castle (R-Del.), with Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-Mineola) as an original co-sponsor.
    Last edited by rod; 01-09-2008, 7:42 AM.
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    bwiese
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Oct 2005
    • 27621

    Dude, you've been out of the loop.

    This is the NRA-backed NICS improvement bill. While it stops adjudicated crazy people from having guns, it also sets up a system so that people (say, vets diagnosed w/PTSD and incorrectly banned from gun ownership) can recover their rights. That didn't exist for this bill.

    This is not a gun control bill, it stops some problem folks slipping thru the cracks, it got NRA a lot of favorable media attention, it got the antis whining that the NRA won, and it gave political shelter to legislators to say they're "doing somthing" about gun violence so they don't have to vote on HR1022 Fed AW ban should it even ever come up to the floor.

    Bill Wiese
    San Jose, CA

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      rod
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2006
      • 2245

      Yeah, after reading the article more slowly, I realize it all sounds familiar.
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      • #4
        troyus
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2007
        • 1037

        It's good for everybody, gives PTSD sufferers a way to regain gun rights, and increases the effort to track the mentally ill and stop them from walking into a shop and buying a gun.
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