LA Metrolink installed metal detectors at Norwalk station.

[yacko]

Saw on the news this morning. A sign that says no weapons for customers or will be turned away or arrested. An LE right behind the scanners.

No mention of lawful CCW holders.....

On one hand sounds ripe for challenge for CCW holder.... other hand.... speeds up the legislation to ban CCW on public transportation.......

Turn right... you're screwed.... turn left.... you're screwed.....

[CALI-gula]

Saw on the news this morning. A sign that says no weapons for customers or will be turned away or arrested. An LE right behind the scanners.

No mention of lawful CCW holders.....

On one hand sounds ripe for challenge for CCW holder.... other hand.... speeds up the legislation to ban CCW on public transportation.......

Turn right... you're screwed.... turn left.... you're screwed.....

Wonder if that will be on the subway system too.

I haven't rode the Red Line or Blue Line in over a decade, but I had business and a 2nd office for clients in dowtown LA for a while, and it was often convenient to take either of these if I didn't want to fight traffic or take the bike due to weather.

Some nights I'd be coming home late, especially if working on a special project or had hit happy hour/dinner with colleagues or clients.

I NEVER went on either without some sort of metallic support. There were so many drugged out street trash and wannabe gang posers, something was always happening, or on the verge of happening.

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[Rickybillegas]

"In May and Carralero, we affirm the injunction with respect to hospitals and similar medical facilities, public transit, gatherings that require a permit, places of worship, financial institutions, parking areas and similar areas"

Unlawful and unconstitutional per 9th circuit panels latest decision and order (Jan, 2025). However, I guess if the transit is run by a private company they can trespass you as for a private business? But they cannot arrest you under the current law.

[yacko]

Interesting.... Somehow I missed that ruling. Thanks Ricky.

I dont live in LA and use those transit systems, and I dont want to be the test case anyway. But wondering what would happen if a ccw holder walked through that, and already had the permit in had to show the LE...... What would happen next... and the 'sky is falling'! cries over local news....

[The Gleam]

Arseholes.

The tyranny of this state won't be happy until everyone is entirely disarmed and criminals have the upperhand.

They want this as it leads to expanding what is a crime, increasing penalties and fines for both criminals and otherwise law-abiding peoples who's only crime is arming themselves under the 2nd Amendment.

It's a revenue generator for the state - increases fines, creates court costs, gets them confiscated firearms, and feeds purpose to the penintentiary industry from which the state benefits. Meanwhile it creates more law enforcement jobs due to thar rising crime and they use that to also cite need for raising taxes.

Friggin' scam.


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[OlderThanDirt]

I wonder how they handle people with metal in their bodies. Detained until you are searched? Fortunately, there is zero chance of me taking public transit.

[Rickybillegas]

Interesting.... Somehow I missed that ruling. Thanks Ricky.

I dont live in LA and use those transit systems, and I dont want to be the test case anyway. But wondering what would happen if a ccw holder walked through that, and already had the permit in had to show the LE...... What would happen next... and the 'sky is falling'! cries over local news....

it's anybody's guess how the cops would handle it, but my best guess would be they ask you to leave period whether you showed them the latest ruling or not. I could imagine a cop saying "beat it with your weapon, take it up with the station Captain".
Worst case would be you are arrested, but I will not believe you would be charged, when the DA realizes the latest ruling. But, still, the hassle.

[Rickybillegas]

I wonder how they handle people with metal in their bodies. Detained until you are searched? Fortunately, there is zero chance of me taking public transit.

That's the way they do it at airports and courthouses. Body pat downs

[yacko]

I wonder how they handle people with metal in their bodies. Detained until you are searched? Fortunately, there is zero chance of me taking public transit.

Its the new style detectors... the vertical poles. It wont key on small amounts of metal like keys, cellphone. Might not key on a really small pocket knife, but not sure..

It would depend I guess on how much metal a person has in their body- but a few screws wont do it. A large plate or hip probably will.

[yacko]

it's anybody's guess how the cops would handle it, but my best guess would be they ask you to leave period whether you showed them the latest ruling or not. I could imagine a cop saying "beat it with your weapon, take it up with the station Captain".
Worst case would be you are arrested, but I will not believe you would be charged, when the DA realizes the latest ruling. But, still, the hassle.

Which is a denial of a persons rights- and after it happens once, the DA should be informing the LE agency and everyone gets on the same page.

[Jimi Jah]

Its the new style detectors...

It would depend I guess on how much metal a person has in their body- but a few screws wont do it. A large plate or hip probably will.

Those new metal poles with blue side leds are also being used at Petco Park. These are new this year.

I imagine if you had a plate put in your head those would go off. Probably the only way to still get in would be to put a magnet on your skull and tilt your head showing that it sticks.

[RickD427]

I wonder how they handle people with metal in their bodies. Detained until you are searched? Fortunately, there is zero chance of me taking public transit.

Look to the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Terry v Ohio for your answer.

If the scanning device indicates the presence of metal, consistent with a firearm, that would provide "Reasonable Suspicion" that the person is carrying a weapon, and would, in turn, provide "Reasonable Suspicion" that the weapon carrying is illegal. Please note that "Reasonable Suspicion is a very low level of certainty. In the Terry case, it was met when Terry made two passes past a storefront window while looking inside. It may be very possible that the object activating the alarm was something other than a weapon, and it is quite possible that the weapon was legally carried, but neither possibility defeats the existence of "Reasonable Suspicion."

Where "Reasonable Suspicion" exists, the nice LEO has standing to briefly detain the individual, and also has standing to make an immediate, non-intrusive, "Pat-Down" search for weapons. If the "Pat-Down" reveals something consistent with a weapon, then the nice LEO may make an intrusive search to recover it. If the "Pat-Down" fails to identify anything consistent with being a weapon, then the LOE's standing to detain ends.

In the Norwalk Transit Station example, plan on the alarm activation resulting in the discovery of your firearm. The next step in the field investigation process is to determine if your possessing the firearm violated any criminal statute.

[OlderThanDirt]

Look to the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Terry v Ohio for your answer.

If the scanning device indicates the presence of metal, consistent with a firearm, that would provide "Reasonable Suspicion" that the person is carrying a weapon, and would, in turn, provide "Reasonable Suspicion" that the weapon carrying is illegal. Please note that "Reasonable Suspicion is a very low level of certainty. In the Terry case, it was met when Terry made two passes past a storefront window while looking inside. It may be very possible that the object activating the alarm was something other than a weapon, and it is quite possible that the weapon was legally carried, but neither possibility defeats the existence of "Reasonable Suspicion."

Where "Reasonable Suspicion" exists, the nice LEO has standing to briefly detain the individual, and also has standing to make an immediate, non-intrusive, "Pat-Down" search for weapons. If the "Pat-Down" reveals something consistent with a weapon, then the nice LEO may make an intrusive search to recover it. If the "Pat-Down" fails to identify anything consistent with being a weapon, then the LOE's standing to detain ends.

In the Norwalk Transit Station example, plan on the alarm activation resulting in the discovery of your firearm. The next step in the field investigation process is to determine if your possessing the firearm violated any criminal statute.

I have had enough of the BS metal detectors, pat downs and being detained until I can be searched simply because I have multiple metal parts. These metal detectors are ancient technology and even the TSA scanners can tell the difference between metal body parts and a weapon. I just choose to refuse to participate in entering any facility that uses metal detectors. I’m done interacting with retards.

[OlderThanDirt]

Didn’t they throw you out of the plane over Nagasaki?

[Sgt Raven]

Look to the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Terry v Ohio for your answer.

This is an interesting take on changes in Law Enforcement since Terry v Ohio.