Reasons I don't like the NRA............

[SilverTauron]

Interesting that SWalt mentioned England. One of the videos on (Formerly Great) Britain's disarmament scheme ended with a plea by a former English gun owner .His words were for us in America to back the NRA no matter what our personal disagreements are ,because in England gun owners were not a united political force as the NRA is here. That was the case due to hunters not agreeing with target shooters, who in turn didn't agree with the sport shooters,resulting in everyone having a different take on what to do about the advancing onslaught of Disarmament Lobby policy.

As the English shooters squabbled and bickered, the Ministers marched on with disarming the nation by force. We see the legacy of that infighting today, with Britain becoming more Orwellian by the annum.

We all here won't agree on everything. But I implore those who dislike the NRA to still become a member. At the end of the day, the only force which checks our politicians are votes and numbers. With no numbers, there is no voting power. Without voting power, we the armed have no say in our government. Without a say in our government, in "two weeks" the Feds will be asking us to sign on the bottom of Form 66, Firearm Surrender Voucher.

[Root66]

The only thing that I dont like is the onslaught of junk mail that comes with membership.

And the phone calls. NRA has now solicited 800 SERVICE (one of the most prolific phone spammers) to ask for more money.

[Mateba]

The NRA has gone nuts in the last few years, that's my opinion...I'm a life member but I really wish there was a more moderate, more down to earth voice for gun owners.

Wayne LaPierre may be a true believer and whatnot but he's also a slimeball hypocrite who makes millions of dollars as a spokeshole for the NRA, he typifies why people are turned off by the NRA and pro gun people in general. I hate the fact that he represents the NRA.

The GOA is even more insane. I'm sorry people, but gun ownership isn't an absolute right and sometimes you'll have to consent to that fact. I just love hearing NRA execs muttering about Brady buying off congressman and conspiring to take our guns while the NRA buys off just as many congressmen with their money. It's not a great way to have a republic, I don't care what side you're on.

[Squid]

well said, SilverTauron. Everytime I see something about UK I get depressed and ask

"Is this what they fought Hitler for???"

It is pretty much illegal to even mention any problems caused by the flood of "immigrants" and when you stumble across any "Guns for sale" site in UK all the guns have been 'disabled' or whatever they call it.

UK seems like CA, only worse.

[Mateba]

It's worse, but once you get your shotgun certificate there is no waiting period haha.

[rysmithjr]

NRA comes across as a GOP electioneering arm, and not just focused on gun rights. Until they fix the message and find a way to be more inclusive of non-Republicans who also support the 2nd Amendment, they will get no more money of mine.

[bwiese]

NRA comes across as a GOP electioneering arm, and not just focused on gun rights. Until they fix the message and find a way to be more inclusive of non-Republicans who also support the 2nd Amendment, they will get no more money of mine.

Fail

NRA has vigorously supported Dems when necessary, useful and they are deserving.

Old school Democrat Sen. John Dingell, (D-MI) in fact sat on the NRA board for a long time. He was the one that in fact coined the phrase "jackbooted thugs" in reference to BATF.

But some Dems vote progun on gun bills but then voit anti-gun on equally impoertant gun matters like Supreme Ct. nominations. That's why we held Harry Reid's seat to the fire: his likely Dem replacement would be pretty anti, he is useful on pure gun matters, but he voted for bad Supreme Ct justices and he needed to feel the pain.

[bwiese]

The NRA has gone nuts in the last few years, that's my opinion...I'm a life member but I really wish there was a more moderate, more down to earth voice for gun owners.

I have a name for the group you seek to join.

Losers.

Politics is war continued by other means. There's no half-measures.

Wayne LaPierre may be a true believer and whatnot but he's also a slimeball hypocrite who makes millions of dollars as a spokeshole for the NRA,

We need a bright capable leader that can talk to Congress and whip them into shape to stop further RKBA depredations.

So what gun laws do you like? Fed or CA AWB? The Roster? 922r affecting which replacement parts you can put in your rifle?

You must be a SASS member.

I'm sorry people, but gun ownership isn't an absolute right and sometimes you'll have to consent to that fact.

Bullcrap - it's near-absolute and courts are shaping it. If you're not a felon or mentally disturbed, you have a right to own a variety of operational guns and ammo. We still have to clarify 'bear', but I note that it would be profoundly odd from a judicial standpoint to have 'bear' at reduced force or significance over the already-affirmed 'keep'.

You must have toally isolated yourself from observing recent 2A litigation

[hawk1]

The NRA has gone nuts in the last few years, that's my opinion...I'm a life member but I really wish there was a more moderate, more down to earth voice for gun owners.

Wayne LaPierre may be a true believer and whatnot but he's also a slimeball hypocrite who makes millions of dollars as a spokeshole for the NRA, he typifies why people are turned off by the NRA and pro gun people in general. I hate the fact that he represents the NRA.

The GOA is even more insane. I'm sorry people, but gun ownership isn't an absolute right and sometimes you'll have to consent to that fact. I just love hearing NRA execs muttering about Brady buying off congressman and conspiring to take our guns while the NRA buys off just as many congressmen with their money. It's not a great way to have a republic, I don't care what side you're on.

Maybe with this kind of opinion you'd be better off at a different forum.
Or maybe that's the reason you are here...

[jonzer77]

The NRA has gone nuts in the last few years, that's my opinion...I'm a life member but I really wish there was a more moderate, more down to earth voice for gun owners.

Wayne LaPierre may be a true believer and whatnot but he's also a slimeball hypocrite who makes millions of dollars as a spokeshole for the NRA, he typifies why people are turned off by the NRA and pro gun people in general. I hate the fact that he represents the NRA.

The GOA is even more insane. I'm sorry people, but gun ownership isn't an absolute right and sometimes you'll have to consent to that fact. I just love hearing NRA execs muttering about Brady buying off congressman and conspiring to take our guns while the NRA buys off just as many congressmen with their money. It's not a great way to have a republic, I don't care what side you're on.

[IVC]

I'm a life member but I really wish there was a more moderate, more down to earth voice for gun owners.

We need a meaningful force to defend against the attacks on the gun ownership, not a voice to justify it. Antis are trying to pass actual laws that would affect us in profound ways. Image is important, but it's a distant second goal.

It's not a great way to have a republic, I don't care what side you're on.

There is the game and there are the rules. The game is played according to the current rules. Give your opponent a break and you lose. When you lose, claiming a high moral ground makes you a sore loser. I'd rather be a winner.

And yes, the rules are ugly and need changing, but you can't do it in the middle of the battle.

[451040]

I don't care what side you're on.

I do care what side you're on. It ain't ours.

[mrdd]

Politics is war continued by other means. There's no half-measures.

This is so true. Rather than killing people on the other side, we are killing their ideals. The courtroom is the main battleground.

[rysmithjr]

Fail

NRA has vigorously supported Dems when necessary, useful and they are deserving.

Old school Democrat Sen. John Dingell, (D-MI) in fact sat on the NRA board for a long time. He was the one that in fact coined the phrase "jackbooted thugs" in reference to BATF.

But some Dems vote progun on gun bills but then voit anti-gun on equally impoertant gun matters like Supreme Ct. nominations. That's why we held Harry Reid's seat to the fire: his likely Dem replacement would be pretty anti, he is useful on pure gun matters, but he voted for bad Supreme Ct justices and he needed to feel the pain.

The fail portion is the NRA's inability to get that message across then. Notice I did not say they didn't support Democrats, what I said was exactly what opinions have been formed by me, before/during/after my memberships times. Appearances matter, and in politics, maybe even more so.

BTW, I do know Congressman Dingell, I lived in his district for several years before I moved to CA. I do have respect for his work.

[bwiese]

The fail portion is the NRA's inability to get that message across then. Notice I did not say they didn't support Democrats, what I said was exactly what opinions have been formed by me, before/during/after my memberships times. Appearances matter, and in politics, maybe even more so.

BTW, I do know Congressman Dingell, I lived in his district for several years before I moved to CA. I do have respect for his work.

So to placate the outsiders you're willing to assail the insiders, for trivial gains?

I'm really not willing to parley with 'moderates' on gun issues or let situational ethics modify civil rights.

Last time the 'moderates' got involved to protect their precious cowboy guns with a 'moderate' (turncoat NRA staffer Feldman) we got the handgun Roster.

Last time the 'moderates' spoke on TV about not needing black rifles - to protect their Garands and M1A - we got the 1st AW ban that was foundational for the 2nd AWB (SB23) in CA. [There is a small chance we would not have had SB23 if we had not had Roberti-Roos baseline.]

In fact there's some scuttlebutt that one of the Thirty Caliber Idiots (i.e., wood guns vs black rifles guys that sold us out) that appeared on TV interviews may have been popped for an SB23 flash hider violation.