Obama admin furious over proposed ATF restriction, threatens veto

[rero360]

So why do we have to register our cars?

Umm... because they aren't an enumerated constitutional right?

[advocatusdiaboli]

soon-to-be unemployed.

I hope but doubt it. Romney is in the Red Zone but not getting the ball into the end zone and he has only a few downs left.

[advocatusdiaboli]

So why do we have to register our cars?

So they can confiscate them if you use them for "illegal" activities or if someone wants them as assets in compensation for a lawsuit or criminal confiscation (like in RICO for drug dealers). Registration allows them to track them and their movement through the economy so they can confiscate them at any point. You actually think they do this for YOUR benefit? Selflessly as your servant? Really? OMFG. You are naive. I used "illegal" in quotes because legality is fluid. For instance, a pending bill in the CA state house will make you a criminal if you fail to report a stolen firearm within 48 hours and might mean they'll confiscate all your other arms since you are now a criminal. That would be easier if they have a full list of what you own wouldn't it?

[hammerhead_77]

There we go. Tack gay marriage onto HR822 or the reverse! Wwatching both sides figure out how to respond would be hilarious.

Actually, it has occurred to me that this is exactly the way to get shall-issue through the legislative / initiative path... Call it the "fairness in licensing" act. Text would say it is illegal for any government agent to deny a license of any sort to a person when a similar license is granted to others. The lawyers will work out the wording.

Conservatives - here is the deal. Come to grips with the fact that some people are gay, they are people, and they want to have the same rights and relationships as the breeding population... Then move on to the really important issues - using this as a negotiation point.

[/threadjack]

[ClarenceBoddicker]

So why do we have to register our cars?

You don't have to register your car unless you wish to drive it on a public street, road, highway or freeway. You can own cars without registering them. You can drive unregistered cars on private property.

I've never thought about trying to drive any of my guns on public roads. It would be cool to drive around in a WWII Jagdtiger or Jagdpanther though. If they were registered with DMV, CA DOJ & ATF would it be OK to keep the main gun live?

[SilverTauron]

Actually, it has occurred to me that this is exactly the way to get shall-issue through the legislative / initiative path... Call it the "fairness in licensing" act. Text would say it is illegal for any government agent to deny a license of any sort to a person when a similar license is granted to others. The lawyers will work out the wording.

Conservatives - here is the deal. Come to grips with the fact that some people are gay, they are people, and they want to have the same rights and relationships as the breeding population... Then move on to the really important issues - using this as a negotiation point.

[/threadjack]

This system may work in California. I can tell you now in Red State America this approach would backfire horribly. Some people do consider reproductive rights to be on equal or standing with the RKBA. Honestly speaking I know some people of the 'conservative' political thought here in flyover country who if offered a devils bargain between keeping their arms and legalizing gay marriage, would rather the ATF take every gun they own than see their sons and daughters marry someone of the same sex.Of course ideally there would be neither on the table, but remember that for some folks legalizing gay marriage is a "No Go" issue, just like a national assault weapons ban is a serious no go for me.

Remember that we are discussing the RKBA here, a right which doesn't exist in many states in America. As such, the legislatures and reps from Illinois, NJ,and California, will fight to the political death to ensure "national reciprocity" doesn't apply in their states and cities. Here's what the speech would sound like on CNN:

(INSERT PRO-GAY MARRIAGE ANTI GUN SLIMY POLITICO HERE) "While I believe in the right for people to marry whom they want, legalizing death and destruction in the streets isn't how we should do this. Gays, Lesbians, and Bisexual couples have been the target of hate crimes and violent attacks throughout history. Matthew Shepard is one example,and he was assaulted with a handgun that wasn't even fired. That's one reason why not only should this bill not pass, but I propose that we vote on my amendment called the 'GLBT Safety Act', which bans magazines over 10 rounds and outlaws firearms which can be used in assaults on gay and lesbian citizens........"

[Mulay El Raisuli]

Actually, it has occurred to me that this is exactly the way to get shall-issue through the legislative / initiative path... Call it the "fairness in licensing" act. Text would say it is illegal for any government agent to deny a license of any sort to a person when a similar license is granted to others. The lawyers will work out the wording.

Conservatives - here is the deal. Come to grips with the fact that some people are gay, they are people, and they want to have the same rights and relationships as the breeding population... Then move on to the really important issues - using this as a negotiation point.

[/threadjack]

That's actually not a bad idea.


The Raisuli

[morfeeis]

Actually, it has occurred to me that this is exactly the way to get shall-issue through the legislative / initiative path... Call it the "fairness in licensing" act. Text would say it is illegal for any government agent to deny a license of any sort to a person when a similar license is granted to others. The lawyers will work out the wording.

Conservatives - here is the deal. Come to grips with the fact that some people are gay, they are people, and they want to have the same rights and relationships as the breeding population... Then move on to the really important issues - using this as a negotiation point.

[/threadjack]

I'm all for ltc's but I'd in no way support that bill.

[rero360]

I'm all for ltc's but I'd in no way support that bill.

Why?

[dustoff31]

There we go. Tack gay marriage onto HR822 or the reverse! Wwatching both sides figure out how to respond would be hilarious.

They would respond the same way they always do on matters they don't want to deal with. They simply do not respond. Or delay and delay until the session is over.

[ja308]

So why do we have to register our cars?

You only need to register a car you plan on using on a public road or street .

[otalps]

So why do we have to register our cars?

What? How is that even in the slightest comparable? Does apologizing just come naturally to you?

[tankarian]

So why do we have to register our cars?

I'm sure if you really, I mean really think deep about your question, you'll find the answer on your own. Abandoning your statist mentality for a couple of seconds would also speed up the process.

[bubbapug1]

http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/phpBB3/

A few think the NRA is a "right wing propaganda machine". Some just have different priorities, but they are still "gunnies".

The NRA has become the most whacked out dispenser of propaganda. I set up my account two weeks ago on line and have received over 50 emails from various fanatical groups pushing some pretty far out crap. It really is a shame the NRA has deviated so far from its main thrust. They are not impartial, and if obama wins big, or any other dem in the future, the backlash will be worse than it need be.

I don't mind factual emails, but raving propaganda only a pin head could believe is disappointing.