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  • vantec08
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 3795

    Qualified immunity refused in wrong address case

    Lubbock police asked a judge to toss out a lawsuit filed by then 90-year-old Willie Williams who claims excessive force related to a shooting incident last year. But a federal judge in Lubbock said ‘no' on Monday.


    next . . . .. some mandatory punitive damages (one hopes)
  • #2
    dominic
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2008
    • 3038

    "qualified immunity" is meant to protect officials from being sued unless they're incompetent or knowingly in violation of the law.

    I would say that going to the wrong address qualifies as incompetence.

    The judge ruled that there are too many disputed facts to allow the officer to have qualified immunity. The judge was very clear to say in his ruling that he was not deciding who was right or wrong, only that the case has factual disputes and therefore the lawsuit stays on track to be presented to a jury.

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    • #3
      vantec08
      Veteran Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 3795

      Dam right dominic. It is way past time for some judge, somewhere, to step up to the plate and say NO.

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      • #4
        glbtrottr
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 3551

        outstanding...
        On hold....

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        • #5
          OleCuss
          Calguns Addict
          • Jun 2009
          • 8032

          Not enough particulars for me to find it too awesome or otherwise.

          But it is interesting. . .
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          • #6
            vantec08
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 3795

            Originally posted by OleCuss
            Not enough particulars for me to find it too awesome or otherwise.

            But it is interesting. . .

            Police were at the WRONG address. That much is established.

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            • #7
              littlejake
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2008
              • 2168

              The immunity we need to nullify is that given to the legislature and governor. Author, vote for, or pass a law that is found unconstitutional, lose immunity and pay civil damages to all who were harmed by the law.
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              • #8
                Mute
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                • Oct 2005
                • 8482

                Kudos to this judge for finally thinking through one of these cases instead of just falling back to the default position.
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                • #9
                  morfeeis
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 7605

                  Originally posted by vantec08
                  http://www.kcbd.com/story/18169737/j...lubbock-police

                  next . . . .. some mandatory punitive damages (one hopes)
                  This put such a smile on my face, thank you vantec!
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                  • #10
                    OleCuss
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 8032

                    Originally posted by vantec08
                    Police were at the WRONG address. That much is established.
                    No argument on that.

                    But is it possible that as the information develops in court that qualified immunity may be granted at a later stage?

                    I just don't know.
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                    • #11
                      Lives_In_Fresno
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 818

                      Originally posted by dominic
                      "qualified immunity" is meant to protect officials from being sued unless they're incompetent or knowingly in violation of the law.

                      I would say that going to the wrong address qualifies as incompetence.
                      Yeah, possibly. They didn't go to the wrong block, or city. They went next door, which seems to mean 10 feet away (but we don't know this, obviously. It was an apartment that the older gentleman was in, after all.).

                      We don't know many of the facts, and the article doesn't talk about what the disputed facts are (except for who shot first).

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                      • #12
                        AEC1
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 1659

                        I Love it when law enforcement Officers are held to the laws. It so pisses me off that LEO's dont use turn signals and routinely look the other way when witnessing people speeding. If the law says 65, then it should be enforced at that. I know they dont enforce till 70+ but..

                        ok ok I am not going to thread jack and start a flame war....
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                        • #13
                          bwiese
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                          • Oct 2005
                          • 27621

                          Originally posted by littlejake
                          The immunity we need to nullify is that given to the legislature and governor. Author, vote for, or pass a law that is found unconstitutional, lose immunity and pay civil damages to all who were harmed by the law.

                          Whoa, but that might offend the Prop 8 anti-rights people.

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                          • #14
                            SilverBulletZ06
                            Member
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 222

                            I have no problem with this. If we hold health care workers to the standard of "right person, right meds, right time, right method" then I'm pretty sure we can hold police to the standard of "ensure you have the right address".

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                            • #15
                              Munk
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 2124

                              Originally posted by bwiese
                              Whoa, but that might offend the Prop 8 anti-rights people.
                              Good thing no one has a right to not be offended.
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