Pistol with second grip=AOW?

[9mmluger]

A pistol with second grip and detachable magazine is a "assault weapon" according to CA gun law.
However, a pistol with foregrip is also classified as a AOW by nfa definition.

Assume you bought a MP5K pistol and applied a AOW stamp for it, can you put a foregrip on the gun to build a CA legal AOW instead of a assault weapon?

[RugerFanRyan]

Nope.

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[winnre]

OC Armory had pistols with foregrips that are AOWs.

[9mmluger]

OC Armory had pistols with foregrips that are AOWs.

Thanks for the info!

[adamsreeftank]

It would need to have a bullet button anyways, so I think you would be OK with the AOW stamp.

[bwiese]

A semiautomatic pistol with second grip and detachable
magazine is an "assault weapon" according to CA gun law.

Note the important restrictive addition.

However, a pistol with foregrip is also classified as a AOW by nfa definition.

Correct.

Assume you bought a MP5K pistol...

1. real HK MP5s are full auto as I understand. If you are referring to
some HK SP89 or non-HK clone variation ("HK-94 pistol") then fine,
as long as it has a BulletButton-style maglock to be a non-AW.

... and applied a AOW stamp for it, can you put a foregrip on the gun
to build a CA legal AOW instead of a assault weapon?

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Your non-AW gun can, after proper NFAing, be a legal AOW.

However, AOW legal status does NOT override or bypass CA AW status.
You could have a legal gun AOW wise, but it could still also be an illegal assault weapon if it didn't have a bulletButton.

[ojisan]

Note that under Fed law a pistol with a horizontal front grip is OK, a pistol with a vertical front grip is an AOW, not OK unless you get the AOW "permit".

[Smokeybehr]

Note that under Fed law a pistol with a horizontal front grip is OK, a pistol with a vertical front grip is an AOW, not OK unless you get the AOW "permit".

And, IIRC, the Magpul AFG IS NOT a "Vertical Front Grip" per (ATF|DOJ-BOF) letters.

[Ivan]

And, IIRC, the Magpul AFG IS NOT a "Vertical Front Grip" per (ATF|DOJ-BOF) letters.

Link or copy of letters please??

[7.62x54R]

Found this at two different Turners. Far as I remember isn't it a no no?

[CSACANNONEER]

Nope.

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Really??? Please explain why one could not do this. I've got a $100 saying that you're wrong and one could legally purchase a Ca legal (mag locked) MP5K style handgun in Ca, apply for the proper tax stamp, then, after receiving said stamp, put a vertical forgrip on it.

I've got $10 saying that RFR won't post in this thread again.

[CSACANNONEER]

Found this at two different Turners. Far as I remember isn't it a no no?

It's a non rifle (not designed to be fired from the shoulder) long gun. So, it's not a handgun either. The design is perfectly legal. Oh, it's not an AW in Ca with or without a maglock.

[jchen76@gmail.com]

Only pistol with VFG that has a letter from ATF that stating it is not an AOW, is Franklin' Armory's AR pistol.

http://www.franklinarmory.com/PRODUCTS_XO-26.html

Here is the letter http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf

According to letter its OAL length of 26.3 inches and 10.5 inch barrel, it can not be concealed thus not an AOW.

Jackson Arms Range in South SF had one to rent. Hefty pistol!

[soldierboy]

so a vertical foregrip on a draco is a no no but s magpul slanted grip i can get away with

[chiz]

It's a non rifle (not designed to be fired from the shoulder) long gun. So, it's not a handgun either. The design is perfectly legal. Oh, it's not an AW in Ca with or without a maglock.

it is still a pistol. the barrel is under 16" but the overall length is more than 26" so the atf said it is not an aow as long as it is not concealed.

If the barrel was over 16" it would then be a title 1 long gun which would mean it does not need a maglock as it would not be a rifle or a pistol.