South Dakota Passes Constitutional Concealed Carry Law

[donstarr]

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Yeh well wait until the 15% CA state income tax comes rolling in your way this January once it passes the ballot in November.... then the grass will be GLOWING green out of this State. You think it's bad now, give it time. The Governor is bleeding parents out on this, he's cutting schools and trying to put their children up as hostages to get the higher taxes... and he will get it. It's got 42% support now, wait till the 1,600 teachers get laid off this month like they plan... then it'll be over 50% support and we'll get nailed with higher income tax (the plan is 15%) and higher sales taxes... nothing like having 50% of your pay UP IN SMOKE before the ink even touches the check.

State taxes were a large part of why I removed myself and my family from the PRK last August. Here, in the [relatively] free state of Colorado, we:
* pay a flat 4.63% income tax
* pay 4.1% sales tax (at my house, in unincorporated Douglas County)
* pay about 70% of the property tax we paid in Santa Clara, CA
* have a better public elementary school for our 3 kids

The other reasons were...
* family in Red Feather Lakes and Thornton (and in nearby Elizabeth, after my Dad moved out here a few months ago from Ventura County)
* sold the Santa Clara house, put 20% down on a 6400 sq ft house on 5+ acres, and had cash left over

Firearms laws didn't play a part in the decision to move, but I'm certainly enjoying them.

[donstarr]

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One of our major pitches is that NV does not have a state income tax and that sales tax rates are also lower.

What about property taxes? I seem to remember that, years ago, when I was considering a move to NV, the property taxes were astronomical compared to California - high enough that they almost made up for the lack of income tax. Something like 3+% in NV compared to 1.1% in CA.

Lack of an income tax is definitely a selling point, though. (EDIT: until people realize that they really don't save that entire amount, because they've lost a Federal deduction )

For me, CO's low (and flat) income tax, low sales tax, and low property tax were clinchers. Combining those with my mortgage, homeowner's insurance, and medical insurance savings, our monthly expenses have dropped by over $2300 compared to CA (not yet adjusted for decreased tax deductions).

[dave_cg]

Does everybody in SD live on a 22 acre farm??

You can always tell a city boy, but you can't tell him much

For starters, out in the flat parts of fly-over land, things are surveyed out in nice, regular one mile square parcels called sections, which is 640 acres. When the homestead act was passed, you could claim 1/4 of a section, ie 160 acres by improving it and working it. Farm land tends to by subdivided no further than 80 or 40 acres parcels, and that would have happened in the days of horse-drawn plows. 22 acres would be weird, indeed. That tends to be called a "building site" -- house, barn, machine shed, grain bins. Maybe a horse lot.

Secondly, these days trying to farm on less than a couple of sections or ranch on less than 8 or 10 is a recipe for poor-house living. Less than one family per square mile is about the density of homes for dry-land farm country.

Of course, there are people that live in town -- somebody has to run the hardware store and the feed store and sell fertilizer (the legitimate kind) . Even there, though, a town of 800 people where a kid can ride a bicycle to a place where he can shoot his .22lr is a very different place to live than, oh, say, Sunnyvale.

True story (really!): My inlaws live in a town of 1200 people in southern Minnesota. They got a new minister for the church who came from SoDak, where he previously served three congregations. He was a character -- when he took off his frock you could see the tell-tale wear mark in his Levi's left by the Copenhagen tin in his rear pocket. "You can't council sinners without first hand experience.", he said. I liked him. He only lasted a couple of years as minister - living in a town of 1200 people surrounded by 1000 acre farms was too much for him -- he got claustrophobic and moved back to SoDak ranch country.

[donstarr]

Even there, though, a town of 800 people where a kid can ride a bicycle to a place where he can shoot his .22lr is a very different place to live than, oh, say, Sunnyvale.

Here, that place is called "the back yard". And I only have a little over 5 acres.

(Disclaimer: It's my .22LR (a very old Marlin No. 29), and I just let my boys use it from the patio toward the hillside behind us. I make them use .22 CB.)

[choprzrul]

SD Governor vetoed it.

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[gobler]

Wow!! I thought for sure it would pass. Let's hope they over turn the veto.


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[Liberty1]

SD is still a 'gold star' (no license) open carry state so what does the conceald license help LE do? (hint: nothing except deter carrying by those good people who can't OC for social or business reasons)

http://opencarry.org/sd.html