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  • nona
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2006
    • 13

    meeting an attorney?

    I have seen several posters that recommend I have the contact information of a good firearms attorney with me. Carrying around a card or something. I'm not planning anything, this just for those remote oh-**** situations that we prepare for but hope never happen.

    Should I contact the attorney ahead of time and tell him or her that I'm planning to do this? Do I need to setup a meeting just to say "Hi?" That seems silly, but I have no idea how theese things are done.

    I'll probably pick Donald Kilmer, as he is mentioned often for the Bay Area.
  • #2
    Glock22Fan
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2006
    • 5752

    Just contact him and ask if he has a card you can carry with you.

    It's unlikely that he'll want to meet you, I think, but if he does, he can always ask at that point.

    I did this with Chuck Mitchel and got several cards, and a couple of magnetic posters (saying "Permission is NOT given to search this container etc. etc.) to put on my gun cases. Thank you Chuck.

    (And yes, I know that if a gun case looks like a gun case, and is in open sight, they can search it anyway.)
    Last edited by Glock22Fan; 12-13-2007, 12:03 PM.
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    • #3
      StukaJr
      Member
      • Nov 2006
      • 369

      Question about the aforementioned card - if getting arrested, do I get to keep the card on my person to make the phonecall or should my phonecall be to the friend/relative with instructions to contact the lawyer?

      I've never been arrested so don't know which articles I get to keep on my person.
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      • #4
        xrMike
        Calguns Addict
        • Feb 2006
        • 7841

        Knowing lawyers in a round-about, general way, I'm willing to bet that not a single one of them is going to want to say "Boo!" to you until you first cough up a modest retainer.

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        • #5
          Archenemy550
          Member
          • Jun 2006
          • 284

          Hey, is there an actual buisness card that Mike gives out? I would love to have one.

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          • #6
            Glock22Fan
            Calguns Addict
            • May 2006
            • 5752

            Originally posted by xrMike
            Knowing lawyers in a round-about, general way, I'm willing to bet that not a single one of them is going to want to say "Boo!" to you until you first cough up a modest retainer.
            As I said above, I had no difficulty getting a card from Chuck, and I didn't give him a retainer.

            If the card is in your wallet, and the cops have your wallet, you just need to say "I need to call my lawyer. His number is on the card in my wallet." Much safer than expecting your friend to know what to do when you call him/her.
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            • #7
              ohsmily
              Calguns Addict
              • Apr 2005
              • 8939

              Originally posted by xrMike
              Knowing lawyers in a round-about, general way, I'm willing to bet that not a single one of them is going to want to say "Boo!" to you until you first cough up a modest retainer.
              That's not true. Most criminal-law firms will usually have an initial consultation with you to discuss possible options and general plans of attack should you decide to hire them. The initial consultation is usually 'no-charge.'
              Last edited by ohsmily; 12-13-2007, 3:02 PM.
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              • #8
                xrMike
                Calguns Addict
                • Feb 2006
                • 7841

                Wow, that's good to know. I always assumed that 99.9% of lawyers wouldn't even wipe their butts unless somebody paid them some money to do so. I learned something today.

                Are you guys sure it's the actual LAWYERS that do these initial consults, and not their lackeys, secretaries, or para-legals?

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                • #9
                  CCWFacts
                  Calguns Addict
                  • May 2007
                  • 6168

                  Remember, he is trying to sell you on his services. Would you buy a car from someone who doesn't want to talk to you? Of course not! It's also a job interview. You are the employer and he is the employee. Would you hire an employee who is reluctant to meet with you? Would you hire an employee without meeting him and talking with him, to make sure he's what you're looking for and he makes a good impression on you? Of course not!

                  Any lawyer who is hesitant to have an initial 30min meeting with you, in which he explains his areas of practice, experience, and how he could help you, is not the attorney you want. If you do get this guy's services he will be charging you a lot of money so you you deserve to be treated as both a customer, and an employer.
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                  • #10
                    ohsmily
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 8939

                    Originally posted by xrMike
                    Wow, that's good to know. I always assumed that 99.9% of lawyers wouldn't even wipe their butts unless somebody paid them some money to do so. I learned something today.

                    Are you guys sure it's the actual LAWYERS that do these initial consults, and not their lackeys, secretaries, or para-legals?
                    IAAL.

                    First the secretary/assistant takes down basic information, then the attorney takes the call or calls back within a short period of time.

                    Originally posted by CCWFacts
                    Remember, he is trying to sell you on his services. Would you buy a car from someone who doesn't want to talk to you? Of course not! It's also a job interview. You are the employer and he is the employee. Would you hire an employee who is reluctant to meet with you? Would you hire an employee without meeting him and talking with him, to make sure he's what you're looking for and he makes a good impression on you? Of course not!

                    Any lawyer who is hesitant to have an initial 30min meeting with you, in which he explains his areas of practice, experience, and how he could help you, is not the attorney you want. If you do get this guy's services he will be charging you a lot of money so you you deserve to be treated as both a customer, and an employer.
                    Exactly. Some attorneys, depending on the type of case, might literally spend HOURS speaking with somebody before the issue of money and a retainer is raised. If the person likes you and is confident in your ability, he hires you, if not, then he meets with another attorney and maybe hires him.
                    Expert firearms attorney: https://www.rwslaw.com/team/adam-j-richards/

                    Check out https://www.firearmsunknown.com/. Support a good calgunner local to San Diego.

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                    • #11
                      nona
                      Junior Member
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 13

                      Thankyou to all for the advice you gave.

                      I guess I'll call. I feel a bit odd setting up a meeting to "interview" for a lawyer I do not want to ever need.

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                      • #12
                        Liberty1
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 5541

                        Better to give the card to someone who's number you have memorized, like your wife's or mother's. Once you're detained, hooked, and enroute to the station, I've never known anyone to be able to access their property and especially after it has been booked safe keeping. You'll get you're three collect calls when you're allowed, make them count!
                        Last edited by Liberty1; 12-13-2007, 9:40 PM.
                        False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
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                        • #13
                          WokMaster1
                          Part time Emperor
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 5436

                          If anything happens, I am going to call Ohsmily.

                          PM me your info, please.....

                          What kind of law do you practice?
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                          • #14
                            aileron
                            Veteran Member
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 3272

                            Originally posted by Archenemy550
                            Hey, is there an actual buisness card that Mike gives out? I would love to have one.
                            Donate to BlackWaterOps case and he will send you a few, if not just call them up and ask, they will probably have no problem sending some out.
                            Look at the tyranny of party -- at what is called party allegiance, party loyalty -- a snare invented by designing men for selfish purposes -- and which turns voters into chattles, slaves, rabbits, and all the while their masters, and they themselves are shouting rubbish about liberty, independence, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, honestly unconscious of the fantastic contradiction... Mark Twain

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                            • #15
                              aileron
                              Veteran Member
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 3272

                              Originally posted by Archenemy550
                              Hey, is there an actual buisness card that Mike gives out? I would love to have one.
                              Donate to BlackWaterOps case and Chuck Michel will send you a few, if not just call them up and ask, they will probably have no problem sending some out.

                              I give them out sometimes to folks I think should have one on them.
                              Look at the tyranny of party -- at what is called party allegiance, party loyalty -- a snare invented by designing men for selfish purposes -- and which turns voters into chattles, slaves, rabbits, and all the while their masters, and they themselves are shouting rubbish about liberty, independence, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, honestly unconscious of the fantastic contradiction... Mark Twain

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