Psychological Testing Requirement for CCW/LTC

[voiceofreason]

Please educate me on this. I know nothing about this requirement.

Didn't want to threadjack the Monterey Sheriff thread.

If it's a psych exam, why does it have to be THEIR psychologist? Why can't it be ANY licensed psychologist? You can get a checkup for a physical clearance from almost any licensed practicing physician.

Why would any interview or psych exam take "a few hours"? I doubt I would feel comfortable answering the kind of questions that we'd get to after a few hours worth of questioning.

(I can wear women's underwear if I want to... Torrid carries my size.)


Not to simplify the matter too much, but do they just poke at you for 2 hours trying to get a specific reaction out of you? I can't imagine that they can legally FORCE you to answer anything.

If you refuse to answer their questions, are you automatically rejected for a CCW/LTC?

[stix213]

If it's a psych exam, why does it have to be THEIR psychologist? Why can't it be ANY licensed psychologist? You can get a checkup for a physical clearance from almost any licensed practicing physician.

They could require you to go to a phsychologist who is rarely available or that fails everyone, which whom the department would never send their own people. Just off the top of my head

[goober]

Basically the MCSO GMC evaluation is patterned directly after their process for evaluating applicants for sheriff's deputy positions (not that they are hiring... But I suppose this gives the folks that normally do this work something to do despite the hiring freeze).
The intrusive interview with VSA, psych exam, and neighbor/coworker interviews are all things that hopeful prospective deputies must undergo. The venue for the psych eval is the one the department uses (I think... someone that knows for a fact may correct me here).
As Librarian noted in the other thread, the psych test being used appears to be the MMPI test or a variant of it.
We'll see how the numbers continue to play out, but it's looking like the approval rate under Miller has decreased rather than increased, relative to that under Kanalakis.

[Untamed1972]

Please educate me on this. I know nothing about this requirement.

Didn't want to threadjack the Monterey Sheriff thread.

If it's a psych exam, why does it have to be THEIR psychologist? Why can't it be ANY licensed psychologist? You can get a checkup for a physical clearance from almost any licensed practicing physician.

Why would any interview or psych exam take "a few hours"? I doubt I would feel comfortable answering the kind of questions that we'd get to after a few hours worth of questioning.

(I can wear women's underwear if I want to... Torrid carries my size.)


Not to simplify the matter too much, but do they just poke at you for 2 hours trying to get a specific reaction out of you? I can't imagine that they can legally FORCE you to answer anything.

If you refuse to answer their questions, are you automatically rejected for a CCW/LTC?

The Penal Code requires that the test be done with the same psycologist that the Dept. uses for screening it's own employees. That's why.

If the written pstch eval is the same they use for screening LEO applicants....it just take a few hours to get thru.....it's LONG!

[Quiet]

The Penal Code requires that the test be done with the same psycologist that the Dept. uses for screening it's own employees. That's why.

What he said.

Penal Code 26190
(f)(1) If psychological testing on the initial application is required by the licensing authority, the license applicant shall be referred to a licensed psychologist used by the licensing authority for the psychological testing of its own employees. The applicant may be charged for the actual cost of the testing in an amount not to exceed one hundred fifty dollars ($150).
(2) Additional psychological testing of an applicant seeking license renewal shall be required only if there is compelling evidence to indicate that a test is necessary. The cost to the applicant for this additional testing shall not exceed one hundred fifty dollars ($150).

[hoffmang]

The achilles heel here is that EVERYONE must now be subject to the psych eval. Everyone... Heh.

-Gene

[nicki]

Voice stress test.

Notice he also wants a voice stress test. Can he also require this.
Seems to me that this is being done to discourage applicants.

BTW, who pays for this lie detector tests?

Nicki

[SouperMan]

Wow. First time I have seen a county require a Psychological Exam. I think the fees are on you, and the county provides a list of certified examiners.

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[goober]

The achilles heel here is that EVERYONE must now be subject to the psych eval. Everyone... Heh.

-Gene

yep.

Notice he also wants a voice stress test. Can he also require this.
Seems to me that this is being done to discourage applicants.

BTW, who pays for this lie detector tests?

Nicki

VSA is part of initial interview (after LiveScan) and cost is included in $135 application fee.

Wow. First time I have seen a county require a Psychological Exam. I think the fees are on you, and the county provides a list of certified examiners.

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the "list" is exactly 1 examiner long, as noted previously, PC 26190(f)(1) requires MCSO to use the same examiner for applicants as they use themselves.

[SouperMan]

yep.


VSA is part of initial interview (after LiveScan) and cost is included in $135 application fee.

the "list" is exactly 1 examiner long, as noted previously, PC 26190(f)(1) requires MCSO to use the same examiner for applicants as they use themselves.

Whoops. Glossed over the PC code. That makes the list pretty short

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[haole_50]

Well, hell even my college psych professor said I was crazy. I learned how to "fool" the lie-detector test, best he had ever seen.

[SanPedroShooter]

I just took the MMPI2 on line. I think I failed...

[Manolito]

This is the same test the federal government uses for federal agents you know like the one who shot his supervisor last week>

[Untamed1972]

The achilles heel here is that EVERYONE must now be subject to the psych eval. Everyone... Heh.

-Gene

In the article he stated renewing LTC holders wouldn't be required to take the psych eval. Is that legal? Or will they be legally obligated to take the eval too if they had not been required to previously?

[SanPedroShooter]

Maybe he had 'subtle psychotic deviancy'.... It seems to be going around.

Do you ever get the feeling that psychiatrists are full of ****? Do you think they take points off if you tell them that?