cal gun lawd and Indian reservation? 's

[F8ality]

Taking a class that will be on an Indian reservation, do the BS California laws apply being is they are a sovereign nation, federal land, so exempt from state law correct? And no I'm not talking any NFA weapons or alike I'm asking specifically related to the bullet buttons and 10rd mags.

Thanks for any help ans info.

[jester7500]

I was just searching for this topic but couldn't find anything. I'd like to know as well...

[Ron-Solo]

In most cases, California laws apply on reservations.

[lhecker51]

In most cases, California laws apply on reservations.

Agreed. There are exceptions though. It all depends on the tribes agreements with the state. Not all tribes come under state laws and must specifically agree to this. Normally it is a compromise.

[Decoligny]

Your best bet for accurate information on any specific Indian reservation is to contact the Tribal government and ask them.

[Purple K]

The Federal PL280 dictates that the reservations must observe State and Local laws. Any tribal laws enacted by a tribal council only apply to the tribes members, not visitors. State firearms statutes still apply on tribal lands.

[colddeadhands]

I would call ahead and ask the reservation people. When i got my NV ccw we were told in the class that soverign nation means no 2A. The instructors talked about people having thier guns taken by the police on the pyramid lake reservation and never getting them back. It might just be fud, but I wouldnt want to risk my guns.

[Hooligan]

Pyramid Lake has a no guns rule! They have a pretty extensive website detailing their rules. Unless you are a tribal member I would not take them.

(This was as of last year, I was looking into places to organize a group shoot and thought of the range near there, using Pyramid as a place to group camp. So, yes I have read their rules.)

[sfbadger]

I would call ahead and ask the reservation people. When i got my NV ccw we were told in the class that soverign nation means no 2A. The instructors talked about people having thier guns taken by the police on the pyramid lake reservation and never getting them back. It might just be fud, but I wouldnt want to risk my guns.

That is NOT fud, that is absolutely true. Same with some reservations in Oklahoma and your CCW means nothing to them.

[Purple K]

The "Soveriegn Nation" thing is FUD spread by the tribes. To be a sovereign nation they'd need to have their own constitution, currency, embassies, military, etc, etc, etc.

[Neptune]

The "Soveriegn Nation" thing is FUD spread by the tribes. To be a sovereign nation they'd need to have their own constitution, currency, embassies, military, etc, etc, etc.

No, they are sovereign nations...to an extent. They abide by the Federal laws, and some state and local laws. The Sheriff can only come on tribal property with permission, and does so to take people to jail, etc. when requested, but can't come on the property otherwise.

We were doing work on the Thunder Valley job in Lincoln/Roseville area, and a guy got pissed off and called CalOSHA. They showed up, saw it was a casino, and said, "Later. Call FedOSHA." They left at that point because the reservation is under FedOSHA rules.

They have a lot of different rules and follow a different set of laws than the rest of us. When I lived by a reservation in Oregon, the Tribal Police would come into town and take custody of their folks when an arrest was made by the local cops.

They are also have their own court systems, or work with other tribes in a combined system and work under Tribal and Federal Court system rules which take culture and tradition into account on top of the standard laws. If you get arrested on a reservation, you could end up in a county, tribal, or Federal court dependent on the reservation and it's arrangements.




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[Purple K]

Neptune... You are wrong! They are bound by ALL laws. They don't get to pick and choose which ones they want to follow. Yours is a prime example of the effectiveness of the FUD that they've spread for years. People have heard it for so long that they accept it as fact.

[paul0660]

Your best bet for accurate information on any specific Indian reservation is to contact the Tribal government and ask them.

And, being as knowlegable as a LGS, they will say no, while being clueless.

[Dr.Lou]

I would call ahead and ask the reservation people. When i got my NV ccw we were told in the class that soverign nation means no 2A. The instructors talked about people having thier guns taken by the police on the pyramid lake reservation and never getting them back. It might just be fud, but I wouldnt want to risk my guns.

NV isn't one of the 6 Public Law 280 states and their reservations have full soverignty; CA is a PL 280 state therefore the tribes only have limited soverignty.

[vincewarde]

The Federal PL280 dictates that the reservations must observe State and Local laws. Any tribal laws enacted by a tribal council only apply to the tribes members, not visitors. State firearms statutes still apply on tribal lands.

Wow, that does not make sense to me. Why then, is gaming legal on reservations even when prohibited by state law? I know that they have to work out agreements with the state governments - but those governments may not ban gaming on the reservation. Clearly the tribe has some rights that override state law.

I found this Wikipedia article enlightening: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_..._United_States

A small portion reads: "In PL280 states (Alaska, California, Minnesota, Nebraska, Oregon, and Wisconsin), the state has been granted criminal and civil adjudicatory jurisdiction over activities in Indian Country." So it would seem that your answer, re: firearms is correct. I wonder if there are special laws involving casinos? Also note that PL280 only applies to 6 states - one of which (Alaska) has no reservations.

In addition, I would be willing to bet that through arrangement with federal or state authorities tribal police on the larger reservations have the ability to enforce laws in cases involving non-indians. Some reservations are larger than some US states.