Shotgun News Followup about recent Pink Pistols column

[bwiese]

I am unsure if it is Imbert & Smithers; there could be a small kitchen table FFL we don't know about? I don't think we should start bandying names about.

[Hopi]

merely liking guns does not mean a person is pro-RKBA. .

QFT.

[Wrangler John]

what's the name of the store?

I didn't mention the name of the store because of privacy issues and because it has changed ownership at least twice since it began in the 1970's. It's still there, listed in the phone book. One of the original founders died a few years ago, he gave me a set of his personal reloading dies when I was short of money. Never forgot the kindness.

[nicki]

My 2 cents.

Unfortunately most of us are here in California and we live in a "diverse society" where many of us are "blind" to our differences, we see each other as human beings.

Fortunately in meeting people at various SAF GRPCs, the leaders of gun rights movements get it that gun rights are civil rights, so there is alot of hope.

The Shotgun news is dominated by the "Black rifle industry" and while the magazine recognizes it has to promote gun rights as civil rights, some of their subscribers must have single digit IQs since they missed that.

Right now the LBGT community is still very anti gun and as individuals they are far more politically active than the average person, so getting the LBGT community to flip on the gun issue will cut off alot of support for the civil rights destroyers.

The LBGT community overall is very supportive of civil rights, so eventually they will flip on gun rights, it is only a matter of time.

When I proposed to Tom that we run a Pink Pistol contingent in the SF Pride Parade a few years back, he had to pull alot of favors just so we could get in.

When we marched, I honestly expected that we would be booed and jeered the whole parade route, instead we got cheered.

Last year I coordinated with Andrew Mendez and we hit both Long Beach and West Hollywood and we were well recieved. Our contigent actually grew in size because people jumped in and marched with us.

The reality is the LBGT community is arming up in most parts of the country, it is just that they are in the closet about being "Gun Owners".

However, as Pink Pistols becomes more publically visible and as more members of the LBGT community move toward the political center, we should see a shift away from blantant support of gun bans.

Shifting the LBGT community from anti to pro gun will take work, but in the process it will provide a blueprint to work with other groups as well.

The development of a "Left wing gun rights" movement by default will allow us to pick up many people in the political center and will further isolate the gun banners as "EXTREMIST".

Nicki

[SanPedroShooter]

I agree, when we get "left wing gun rights" we win.

[Lagduf]

It doesn't matter whether it's government banning the sale of rifles with a pistol grip and detachable magazine, saying Blacks have to sit in the back of the bus or that a homosexual couple can't marry it's all a deprivation of liberty.

I don't understand why some people can't see that.

Well said.

[IVC]

_____________ deserve the right to self-defense.
_____________ deserve the right to self-defense.
_____________ deserve the right to self-defense.
_____________ deserve the right to self-defense.
_____________ deserve the right to self-defense.
_____________ deserve the right to self-defense.

The list is endless.

Looks like itemized list of LTC holders from San Francisco

[QQQ]

Looks like itemized list of LTC holders from San Francisco

I think there are less people with San Francisco LTC's than there are items on your list.

I would be surprised if it grows substantially within the next four years.

[GettoPhilosopher]

Because the last one turned into a couple of posters arguing about the bible and definition of "marrige"....


Sweet Jesu in the sky, protect us from off topic posts....

And good for Shotgun news.

I can't help it, when people spout out of context half sentences out of the Bible and call it "the Christian view", I get all Bible Major and have to answer! I admit it, I have a problem. ><

Hey! Who are you calling a retard?

I think I got the thread locked by posting the Leviticus verses that show how god hates lobsters. Sorry.

God hates lobster! Lobster eaters go to hell!

[GOEX FFF]

Good article.

Gay rights & Gun rights...what it comes down to is both are Civil Rights which we're all on the same side on.

[QQQ]

I think we're at risk of losing our focus here.

Sure, many of us want to fight for different kinds of rights- gay rights, black rights, hispanic rights, immigrant rights, workers' rights, property rights, childrens' rights, land rights, Indian rights, religious rights, and so on.

But our focus here should be on the right to keep and bear arms. If homosexuals/trans-sexuals/questioning/bisexuals/asexuals want to join the fight, then that's a good thing for the 2A. That doesn't mean that we should force all gun-owners to approve of the gay lifestyle and eschew their religious beliefs or face ostracization from the community. And judging from some of the comments on this thread, that looks like the direction we're headed.

I voted for Proposition 8 and have no regrets. That shouldn't mean that I can't be on the same side as a gay person/ally with regards to gun rights.

[HowardW56]

I voted for Proposition 8 and have no regrets. That shouldn't mean that I can't be on the same side as a gay person/ally with regards to gun rights.

Obviously not everyone here agrees on all issues. As long as we can be civil and respectful to others who we agree with on Second Amendment issues, and disagree with on other issues, we are still able to stand shoulder to shoulder in this battle...

Reasonable people can agree to disagree and still advocate together for the issues that they agree on.

[Lagduf]

I think the issue is that the battle for 2A rights is a Civil Rights battle. Gay Rights are a civil rights battle.

If we're going to be for one civil right then we should be for all of them.

No one is asking you to approve of the so called "gay lifestyle" (not sure what this means).

I would have my doubts about an individual who was for gun rights but against gay rights. A person can still understand that gays are entitled to their rights under the law even if that person's personal/philosophical/religious code was against homosexuality.

We need to remember we're fighting for our civil rights. We shouldn't just stop once we get our guns.

[QQQ]

I would have my doubts about an individual who was for gun rights but against gay rights.

Last time I checked, this was CalGUNS, not Calallcivilrightsyoucanpossiblythinkof.

[IVC]

... We need to remember we're fighting for our civil rights. We shouldn't just stop once we get our guns. ...

This is exactly what a loss of focus is. An individual can choose breadth over depth. An organization has bylaws and a mission statement, which is the uniting factor for individuals joining in.

One achieves individual breadth by joining and supporting multiple organizations according to one's tastes, principles and desires.