Gun Owner ID Cards Soar In Chicago

[dustoff31]

Not remarkable you might say, it's to be expected after the McDonald ruling. Yes, but the interesting part is in bold below. There appears to be some civil disobedience going on in Chicagoland.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/25/gun-owner-id-cards-soar-in-chicago/

The uptick in FOID cards follows the City Council’s approval of a July 2010 ordinance lifting a 28-year-old ban on handguns in Chicago. That followed the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in the McDonald v. Chicago case, which rendered the law unenforceable.

The city ordinance requires gun owners to obtain a city gun permit, register their firearms with the Chicago Police Department and keep their guns in their homes.

The Police Department could not immediately provide the number of guns currently registered in the city. At the end of 2010, the department had approved about 1,500 Chicago firearms permits and registered about 2,750 guns.

Todd Vandermyde, a legislative liaison for the National Rifle Association, said he believes Chicagoans are getting FOID cards to comply with state law but are snubbing their noses at the city ordinance because they believe the registration process is too onerous.

“They’re taking their chances with the city,” he said. “It’s just an ordinance violation.”

[QQQ]

Good for them.

[killathrilla]

Sounds like a bs commie ordinance!!

[IGOTDIRT4U]

Hmmm, no state preemption law on the books?

[wjc]

hehe

I should see if i can find my old Illinois FOID card. I look like like Charlie Manson in the picture.

[G60]

According to Dennis Henigan, this probably just means less people are buying guns. LOLLLLL!!

[SilverTauron]

Hmmm, no state preemption law on the books?

Sure isn't.Illinois is one of the few places where each town can make its own firearm laws, as long as it doesn't conflict with existing state law.Which means every town in practice has its own particular laws that make transiting Illinois very dicey for gun owners.

Drive through Vernon Hills IL with a cased,unloaded & locked firearm in the trunk and you can be jailed and charged with unlawful use of a weapon.Why? Because Vernon Hills IL requires all firearms in the village be stored with trigger locks within the action or the trigger itself.

Chicago gun laws delineate the city penalties for having an unregistered firearm as being a $500 fine and weapon confiscation.

Since it costs approximately $400 to pay for the necessary class & registration fees plus fuel to travel it makes more economic sense to just violate the law, especially when you consider that registered or not if you use your firearm to totall a goblin the gun is history anyway. May as well save $400 and keep on truckin'.

[IGOTDIRT4U]

Sure isn't.Illinois is one of the few places where each town can make its own firearm laws, as long as it doesn't conflict with existing state law.Which means every town in practice has its own particular laws that make transiting Illinois very dicey for gun owners.

Drive through Vernon Hills IL with a cased,unloaded & locked firearm in the trunk and you can be jailed and charged with unlawful use of a weapon.Why? Because Vernon Hills IL requires all firearms in the village be stored with trigger locks within the action or the trigger itself.

Chicago gun laws delineate the city penalties for having an unregistered firearm as being a $500 fine and weapon confiscation.

Since it costs approximately $400 to pay for the necessary class & registration fees plus fuel to travel it makes more economic sense to just violate the law, especially when you consider that registered or not if you use your firearm to totall a goblin the gun is history anyway. May as well save $400 and keep on truckin'.

Interesting. Basically, a hodge podge of bad laws that are sure to eventually entrap almost every owner.

[sholling]

Hmmm, no state preemption law on the books?

No state preemption and Chicago and it's liberal dominated suburbs dominate the state legislature just like LA and San Fransisco dominate California politics.

[IGOTDIRT4U]

No state preemption and Chicago and it's liberal dominated suburbs dominate the state legislature just like LA and San Fransisco dominate California politics.

Yeah, I knew that, but it's surprising they don't have CA's preemption law.

[fd15k]

Because Vernon Hills IL requires all firearms in the village be stored with trigger locks within the action or the trigger itself.

Stored at home or you mean transported in that fashion ? Because Heller addressed similar thing in DC.

[SilverTauron]

Yeah, I knew that, but it's surprising thry don't have CA's preemption law.

It is how Chicago can legally establish its own firearm codes.

And my , are there many of them. Chicago has their own version of the Assault Weapons Ban, which is ironic because until recently civilians could not own firearms in city limits anyway.

Illinois in my view has earned the title as the California Legislature's "role model" for gun control laws. The honest danger is to out of state gun owners, who like it or not are taking a major risk just driving through the state.

Most IL municipalities have a law on the books stating that possession of a firearm without a Firearm Owners ID card ( FOID) is grounds for seizure of the weapons and impoundment of the owners vehicle at minimum. Chicago possesses this law too.Problem is, an out of state gun owner cannot acquire a FOID card making an instant criminal out of any out of state driver with guns stored and unloaded in their vehicle.Most of these local statutes have no exemption for out of state residents.

FOPA? What's that?

Seriously, that's what the cops will say to you as they cart you off to the local jail for felony possession of a weapon. Chicago has in its laws that the FOPA protections expire after 24 hours within city limits, so if your flight out of O'hare is delayed and you check into the terminal with your legally owed guns YOU might be delayed severely yourself, in the form of an illegal gun charge.

In order for me, an out of state visitor, to legally bring my guns to shoot with my friends back in Illinois I had to manually check every single town's firearm statutes that I would be driving through to verify whether or not it was legal to pass through with my guns.

That is why I know the firearm laws of random obscure Chicago suburbs, as I either had to drive through them-or around them- on my itinerary.

[SilverTauron]

Stored at home or you mean transported in that fashion ? Because Heller addressed similar thing in DC.

The second ordinance, #98-41, requires that all firearms sold, transferred or possessed within Vernon Hills have installed a protective trigger lock in accordance with the ordinance. (Although the above photos show a lock installed on two handguns, the ordinance requires a lock on all firearms.)


Link here :http://www.vernonhills.org/programs/Firearms.asp

[drdoom]

Sorry, but your wrong about not being able to own a firearm in Chicago prior to McDonald. You could register almost any CA-legal equivalent rifle/shotgun with the city (obviously, not handguns). Chicago's laws POST-McDonald are as follows:

-13 rd. Mag limit
-No Saturday Night Specials (similar to L.A's cheap gun ban)
-No 'scary' weapons (I have yet to hear of anyone trying to register a straight-pull AR-15, but technically, you could)
-No possession of weapons, unless you have a CFP (Chicago Firearms Permit) which is like $200 plus range and instructor fees
-A FOID is required to buy/possess guns/ammo at the state-level, it's the same with the CFP (Chicago Firearms Permit) for mere possession of guns/ammo in the city

Luckily, the suburbs are, to the contrary what most folks here think, NOT rabidly anti-gun (unless your near Evanston, Skokie, or Wilmette). My own town has a gun shop and range. Not having pre-emption does have a silver-lining though. There are dozens of Cook County municipalities (mine included) that are exempt from Crooks AWB and high-cap madness, so as long as your town is 'homerule', AR's and high-caps are go. We have a LOT of gun shops in Cook County, but the shooting community itself and gun-owners are more along the lines of 'don't ask, don't tell', especially in front of the elites.

[SilverTauron]

Sorry, but your wrong about not being able to own a firearm in Chicago prior to McDonald. You could register almost any CA-legal equivalent rifle/shotgun with the city (obviously, not handguns). Chicago's laws POST-McDonald are as follows:

-13 rd. Mag limit
-No Saturday Night Specials (similar to L.A's cheap gun ban)
-No 'scary' weapons (I have yet to hear of anyone trying to register a straight-oull AR-15, but technically, you could)
-No possession of weapons, unless you have a CFP (Chicago Firearms Permit) which is like $200 plus range and instructor fees

Luckily, the suburbs are, to the contrary what most folks here think, NOT rabidly anti-gun (unless your near Evanston, Skokie, or Wilmette). My own town has a gun shop and range. Not having pre-emption does have a silver-lining though. There are dozens of Cook County municipalities (mine included) that are exempt from Crooks AWB and high-cap madness, so as long as your town is 'homerule', AR's and high-caps are go. We have a LOT of gun shops in Cook County, but the shooting community itself and gun-owners are more along the lines of 'don't ask, don't tell', especially in front of the elites.

I stand corrected. I was reading the Chicago statutes and determined civilians couldn't be armed based on the statutes that prohibit posession of long guns in section 8-20-030 of the city code, but its exempted as long as the owner is only at home.

Another gotcha I noticed is that Section 8-20-050 specifies that only ONE operational weapon can be assembled in the home. Every other firearm must be field stripped & disassembled or stored with a trigger lock or lock through the action. Oddly enough laser sights are considered "contraband" and are grounds for forfeiture of the entire weapon to the Chicago Police Department.

I did get the sense on my last visit that Illinois gun owners are one marginalized group of people. Visiting the range in Lake County certainly made me feel like a prisoner, having to check in at the front desk, have my pistols handled and locked with trigger locks , then needing to have my CASE locked with an orange zip tie, and then having to transit the store to the range where I then had the offending materials removed so I can actually shoot.