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  • JeffW
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    • Jan 2006
    • 282

    CRPA "The Firing Line" Article page 17

    I'm posting because in no small measure various reports here that the CRPA had been "fixed," and was now working with CGF and others to be a bit more pro-gun than they had been in the past.

    I was disappointed to read their article in the Firing Line, page 17, "Re: Open Carry Report from Thousand Oaks Street Fair." I agree with the writer's "unloaded open carry is bad," sentiment based on the "it attracts negative attention and freaks some people out," (with the recently enacted legislation as case in point), but I strongly disaprove of the author's FUD:

    "This is why the cop who encountered our open carry hero examined the gun further. In my mind he did not go far enough and should have searched the person as well as his wife for a possible loaded magazine. The presence of a loaded magazine whould have shed an entirely different ligth on the matter."

    So here we have an op-ed piece, from an ostensibly pro-gun organization, advocating to go beyond the 4th amendment violation known as the (e) check to provide a search for a loaded magazine, which prior to the new law going into effect is legal! If the officer did violate their 4th amendment rights, found a loaded magazine, what would Mr. Hamilton advocate at that point in time? Arrest him?


    I guess this is in response to a prior article, and in fairness I didn't see it, but still, I find it unconscionable that the CRPA would be lending itself to an anti-individual rights stance around the 4th amendement like this.

    Dissapointed, CRPA. What "good work," have they done recently such that they deserve my support (as opposed to the CGF, etc)?
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    wildhawker
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Nov 2008
    • 14150

    Jeff,

    I agree that CRPA Firing Line and article selection/editing continues to be troubling. Last year there were numerous bill-related errors. I would rather see no Firing Line than one which offers no real value and is borderline anti gun owner. We at CRPA owe our members a quality news product and thoughtful editorials.

    Gun rights v. 1.0 is so 1968.

    -Brandon
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    • #3
      spgripside
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      • Jan 2009
      • 265

      Originally posted by JeffW
      Dissapointed, CRPA. What "good work," have they done recently such that they deserve my support (as opposed to the CGF, etc)?
      Try looking here for CRPA's Year in Review info.
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      • #4
        ElvenSoul
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        • Apr 2008
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        hmmm
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        • #5
          JeffW
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          • Jan 2006
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          Originally posted by spgripside
          Try looking here for CRPA's Year in Review info.
          Sean,

          Thanks, that was a helpful resource, and helps me see the big picture.

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            spgripside
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            • Jan 2009
            • 265

            Originally posted by JeffW
            Sean,

            Thanks, that was a helpful resource, and helps me see the big picture.
            Your welcome. I also think there is room for improvement in some of the articles published in "The Firing Line". I believe they were looking for written submissions recently, but unfortunately don't have a link to provide.
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            • #7
              JeffW
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              • Jan 2006
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              Well, this poor article made me wake up and send some funds CGF's way, so some good came out of it.

              I see the Second Amendment Foundation as co-litigants in many of the court cases, seems like they are doing a good job as well. I prefer to keep my funding for California based orgs, however, since we have so much of a problem here.

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              • #8
                Stonewalker
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                • Jun 2010
                • 2780

                Originally posted by JeffW
                Well, this poor article made me wake up and send some funds CGF's way, so some good came out of it.

                I see the Second Amendment Foundation as co-litigants in many of the court cases, seems like they are doing a good job as well. I prefer to keep my funding for California based orgs, however, since we have so much of a problem here.
                SAF has flipped the bill for many CGF activities. Such as - http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/new...hout-city.html Also SAF are the ones who brought Heller and McDonald to the SCOTUS, so they are a worthy investment, both for national stuff and for the grassiest-rootsiest type stuff here in CA.
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                • #9
                  wildhawker
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 14150

                  Originally posted by Stonewalker
                  SAF has flipped the bill for many CGF activities. Such as - http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/new...hout-city.html Also SAF are the ones who brought Heller and McDonald to the SCOTUS, so they are a worthy investment, both for national stuff and for the grassiest-rootsiest type stuff here in CA.
                  Just to clarify, SAF and CGF co-ventured the San Francisco MTA drill, with CGF providing design, production, and ops. SAF did back McDonald but Heller was Gura, Levy, and Neily.

                  -Brandon
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                  • #10
                    jdberger
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                    Articles in the The Firing Line aren't vetted by the Board of Directors (actually - I have no idea how they're chosen and I should find out since I'm on the Communications & Technology Committee).

                    I'm not a fan of UOC either - but I'm also not happy with the sentiment expressed in TFL. I haven't read the article, but I'll look into it and ask some questions.

                    If someone could scan and post the article here, I won't have to wait until I get home.
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                    • #11
                      Stonewalker
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                      • Jun 2010
                      • 2780

                      Originally posted by wildhawker
                      Just to clarify, SAF and CGF co-ventured the San Francisco MTA drill, with CGF providing design, production, and ops. SAF did back McDonald but Heller was Gura, Levy, and Neily.

                      -Brandon
                      Er I'm not good talking truth facts apparently! derp.

                      Thanks Brandon
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                      • #12
                        locosway
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                        • Jun 2009
                        • 11346

                        As a CRPA member I find that article distasteful and counter productive to our (not gun owners, but people) fight.
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                        • #13
                          Bolillo
                          Member
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 451

                          Originally posted by locosway
                          As a CRPA member I find that article distasteful and counter productive to our (not gun owners, but people) fight.
                          Indeed. As somebody who just rejoined CRPA hoping the bad days were over, I'm not especially encouraged by this.

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                          • #14
                            Rumline
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 849

                            Originally posted by JeffW
                            [...] I strongly disaprove of the author's FUD:

                            "This is why the cop who encountered our open carry hero examined the gun further. In my mind he did not go far enough and should have searched the person as well as his wife for a possible loaded magazine. The presence of a loaded magazine whould have shed an entirely different ligth on the matter."
                            Exactly. And what if there was a loaded mag in his possession?? He would have *gasp* been within the law! (as it stood at that time) It's very disconcerting that people who live and breathe gun rights make such a glaring error when describing what is or is not legal. Even more disconcerting to have such an error published in their official communication!

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                            • #15
                              1BigPea
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 1102

                              Originally posted by jdberger
                              Articles in the The Firing Line aren't vetted by the Board of Directors (actually - I have no idea how they're chosen and I should find out since I'm on the Communications & Technology Committee).

                              I'm not a fan of UOC either - but I'm also not happy with the sentiment expressed in TFL. I haven't read the article, but I'll look into it and ask some questions.

                              If someone could scan and post the article here, I won't have to wait until I get home.
                              Hope it's OK that I post it here...I was pretty miffed by the article as well. Especially coming from the CRPA Firing Line.

                              Originally Posted by Wherryj
                              I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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