Loaning a handgun to a friend-Does he need a HSC?

[brassburnz]

I searched the forum and didn't see anything. One of my close friends asked to borrow a revolver to do some shooting out in the desert with his friends. He's not familiar with the revolver, so I will be taking him shooting to get him familiar with it.

Does he need a HSC to possess the revolver? I'm not going on the desert trip. He will be in sole control of my revolver.

Thoughts on the matter? Thanks,

[ryno066]

Yes

[jgraham7897]

(B) Commencing January 1, 2003, no handgun shall be delivered
unless the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the
handgun presents a handgun safety certificate to the dealer.

[fairfaxjim]

Yes

No more calls, we have a WINNER!

12801. (b) No person shall do either of the following:
(1) Purchase or receive any handgun, except an antique firearm, as defined in paragraph (16) of subsection (a) of Section 921 of Title 18 of the United States Code, without a valid handgun safety certificate.
(2) Sell, deliver, loan, or transfer any handgun, except an antique firearm, as defined in paragraph (16) of subsection (a) of Section 921 of Title 18 of the United States Code, to any person who does not have a valid handgun safety certificate.
(c) Any person who violates subdivision (b) is guilty of a misdemeanor.

[sundayduffer]

can you turn him down? i wouldnt do it even if he has an HSC.

[mjmagee67]

(B) Commencing January 1, 2003, no handgun shall be delivered
unless the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the
handgun presents a handgun safety certificate to the dealer.

How does this apply to loaning a gun to a friend or relative? Where does the "dealer" come in?

[fairfaxjim]

How does this apply to loaning a gun to a friend or relative? Where does the "dealer" come in?

See my Post #4 above. Loan is specifically covered in the law. Also note the sections have been renumbered.

[dantodd]

can you turn him down? i wouldnt do it even if he has an HSC.

I'm confused. Do you know something about his friend? Is he a bad guy or something?

[Connor P Price]

can you turn him down? i wouldnt do it even if he has an HSC.

Seriously? What a great pal! Friends borrow and loan guns to one another all the time, it really shouldn't be an issue.

[sundayduffer]

Seriously? What a great pal! Friends borrow and loan guns to one another all the time, it really shouldn't be an issue.

I take my pals shooting all the time..even let them shoot my ammos every time. But to let any of them borrow my one of my guns...oh hell no!!! sorry but hell no!!

[markw]

No more calls, we have a WINNER!

12801. (b) No person shall do either of the following:
(1) Purchase or receive any handgun, except an antique firearm, as defined in paragraph (16) of subsection (a) of Section 921 of Title 18 of the United States Code, without a valid handgun safety certificate.
(2) Sell, deliver, loan, or transfer any handgun, except an antique firearm, as defined in paragraph (16) of subsection (a) of Section 921 of Title 18 of the United States Code, to any person who does not have a valid handgun safety certificate.
(c) Any person who violates subdivision (b) is guilty of a misdemeanor.

According to the PC, you can't loan your pistol to LEO or Military or other HSC exempt persons since they don't have an HSC.

[Librarian]

In this case, it means 'lend without the owner being there'; theoretically, those are supposed to go through an FFL.

Does that happen often? Not so far as I am aware.

[bigcalidave]

Wait, since when can you not loan a firearm without an ffl Librarian?

[Quiet]

Wait, since when can you not loan a firearm without an ffl Librarian?

Loaning a firearm is a type of transfer.
All transfers must go through a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27545]

However...

If the loan is between non-prohibited persons that know each other and teh loan is for a lawful purpose and the loan is infrequent and is for less than 30 days, then it is exempt from being transfered through a CA FFL dealer. If the firearm is a handgun, then the person recieving the handgun needs have a HSC or exemption to the HSC. [PC 27880]


Penal Code 27880
Section 27545 does not apply to the loan of a firearm between persons who are personally known to each other, if all of the following requirements are satisfied:
(a) The loan is infrequent, as defined in Section 16730.
(b) The loan is for any lawful purpose.
(c) The loan does not exceed 30 days in duration.
(d) If the firearm is a handgun, the individual being loaned the handgun shall have a valid handgun safety certificate.

Penal Code 27545
Where neither party to the transaction holds a dealer's license issued pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, the parties to the transaction shall complete the sale, loan, or transfer of that firearm through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050).

[Carnivore]

I take my pals shooting all the time..even let them shoot my ammos every time. But to let any of them borrow my one of my guns...oh hell no!!! sorry but hell no!!

+1000 My buddy lent his .357 to a buddy to go shooting. Afterwords the guy came home and was cleaning the gun when his wife came in the house with another guy. Yep shot at them as they left the house and as they ran down the street. Thank god no one was hurt. Took 8 months before he saw his pistol again. No way do I loan a firearm to anyone unless I am there at the time.