Howard Jordan / Oakland OPD Denied My LTC Application For "No Good Cause" ???

[oaklander]

When I started doing anti-violence work in the most dangerous city in the state, I kind of though that MIGHT give me so-called "good cause" for an LTC.

According to (OPD) Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan, even an attorney who lives in East Oakland, and who spends at least 20 hours per week meeting and working with other stakeholders, on the streets of East and West Oakland, does not have good cause. . .

I have personally met with crime victims, gang bangers, mayors, politicians, thugs, church folks, city folks, etc. . . I have traveled all over the Bay Area (not just Oakland). I have talked to crime victims AT the very street memorials where their loved ones were shot.

Yet, even me, a lawyer in good standing, a husband and church going man, who is DIRECTLY engaged in trying to stop the killing here, DOES NOT HAVE GOOD CAUSE????

The only thing I can think of is that I told the truth that I used to get in a tiny bit of trouble, more than 25 years ago, before I went back to college and became a lawyer (it was the reason why actually). Nothing to do with drugs, or deception. I just used to be a rougher person than I am now, and I changed specifically because of that.

The idea that that a person can't change, and is somehow forever branded as X, or Y - is actually the same kind of thinking that has caused a lot of our racial problems in this country. Chief Howard Jordan is black, and it is interesting to me that his policies are exactly like what I described.

The anti-gun laws in Oakland were started as a backlash against the Black Panthers (google "Mulford Act") and Mulford was a straight up bigot. . .

I got this letter Saturday, and it is dated 1/5/2012. . .



What do you guys think we should do? I have talked to Brandon and Gene, and certain things are afoot. . .

Oakland is the most violent city in CA partially because citizens can't defend themselves, and seriously - NEARLY EVERY PERSON WHO FINDS OUT I AM A GUN PERSON ASKS ME HOW TO GET AN LTC.

IF I CAN'T GET ONE, WHO CAN????

Anyone want to join a little grassroots movement to put some pressure on Jordan?????

ETA: oh, and I was on anti-depressants during part of my first marriage (you would have been too). . . That Piazza thing comes to mind on that issue.

I am not a perfect human, I guess????

http://bit.ly/zsgePr - Google is now connecting things. . .

[Digi]

I'm a Security Officer, I wear a uniform 7 days a week, I'm authorized/licenses to carry multiple deadly weapons within the course of my employment. I can't even get a CCW. Guess I need to donate more to the Sheriff?

[ccmc]

So how many LTCs has Oakland issued, and who has them?

[johnny_22]

Go to the sheriff next?

Alameda County Sheriff used to give more LTC to business owners. You might have better luck at the county level.

Or do you have a motive to have Chief Jordan do his job?

[ccmc]

One more thought/question. Since virtually every state has a question on their LTC application asking whether you have ever been denied an LTC by any state, what effect would this denial have if you were apply for another state's LTC?

[oaklander]

Alameda County Sheriff used to give more LTC to business owners. You might have better luck at the county level.

Or do you have a motive to have Chief Jordan do his job?

I have met Jordan once. The word is that he is a functionary, but not a visionary.

1) OPD needs a visionary, and 2) Oakland needs a new mayor.

We also need to 3) finally align the various groups who are getting harmed by the incompetence here.

My friends are doing #1, and #2, and I am doing #3. . .

This will get fixed, and less people will die. Right now, the mere fact that Oakland is so dysfunctional is what is helping to create this mess.

I may start a program called "Stop The Death."

It may be the only way to stop the killings. . .

I want every shop owner to have a legally owned shotgun. And I want every citizen to apply for an LTC.

I did not want to do this - but it is the only way to fix this mess.

[oaklander]

One more thought/question. Since virtually every state has a question on their LTC application asking whether you have ever been denied an LTC by any state, what effect would this denial have if you were apply for another state's LTC?

Brandon can comment on that, there is litigation on that issue, AFAIK.

[J.D.Allen]

This is just a symptom of the larger problem in this state. CLEO's get the power, and that is the whole problem. And btw, taking anti-depressants should NOT be a reason not to issue. I take them every day, and I carry every day. I haven't freaked out on anyone yet.

[oaklander]

This is just a symptom of the larger problem in this state. CLEO's get the power, and that is the whole problem. And btw, taking anti-depressants should NOT be a reason not to issue. I take them every day, and I carry every day. I haven't freaked out on anyone yet.

Yup,

I am seriously the person that people come to when they want to DEFUSE situations. That is why I can travel anywhere and talk to anyone. I know how to STOP violence, and that is something I learned many years ago.

It is an actual skill, and has to do with helping people agree on outcomes.

I have not led a perfect life, but the folks at my church seem to like me, my boss seems to like me, my friends like me, and my wife loves me. I feel like there must be something wrong with me, since the city does not think that I am good enough to be able to defend myself and my family.

The only thing I can think of is politics????

That is a problem, though - since politics is basically what I do. And I generally win. I seriously wish they had just followed the law. I am not ruling out a suit, but I think that the solution here is going to be broader, and more uncomfortable. It will involve love and peace ONLY, but will make OPD BRASS (we do not have a beef with R&F) very uncomfortable. . .

[CitaDeL]

NEARLY EVERY PERSON WHO FINDS OUT I AM A GUN PERSON ASKS ME HOW TO GET AN LTC.

IF I CAN'T GET ONE, WHO CAN????

Even in spite of the polarity differences in our circumstances, I can completely relate.

[ccmc]

Brandon can comment on that, there is litigation on that issue, AFAIK.

Here's some discussion of that starting with post 26:

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=71948&page=2

[J.D.Allen]

Yup,

I am seriously the person that people come to when they want to DEFUSE situations. That is why I can travel anywhere and talk to anyone. I know how to STOP violence, and that is something I learned many years ago.

It is an actual skill, and has to do with helping people agree on outcomes.

I have not led a perfect life, but the folks at my church seem to like me, my boss seems to like me, my friends like me, and my wife loves me. I feel like there must be something wrong with me, since the city does not think that I am good enough to be able to defend myself and my family.

The only thing I can think of is politics????

That is a problem, though - since politics is basically what I do. And I generally win. I seriously wish they had just followed the law. I am not ruling out a suit, but I think that the solution here is going to be broader, and more uncomfortable. It will involve love and peace ONLY, but will make OPD BRASS (we do not have a beef with R&F) very uncomfortable. . .

Politics? Well, you obviously know the situation and the players there better than any of us, but I would tend to think that it's more just part of their overall strategy of not wanting anyone to be carrying, valid reason or not (not suggesting that there is such a thing as a valid or invalid reason). They just don't want people to carry, and right now they have the power to say no.

[oaklander]

Even in spite of the polarity differences in our circumstances, I can completely relate.

RIGHT!

EVERYONE comes to the same conclusion about self-defense. And this INCLUDES the hippies who set policy in Oakland. It also includes the vast black and hispanic middle class in the flats, the asians downtown - basically EVERYONE AGREES WITH US.

The disconnect that caused this denial letter will get fixed. I am thinking election time. . .

[J.D.Allen]

Even in spite of the polarity differences in our circumstances, I can completely relate.

Wait, you can't get a LTC in Redding? what county is that in again? I thought those counties up north were more LTC friendly...

[oaklander]

Politics? Well, you obviously know the situation and the players there better than any of us, but I would tend to think that it's more just part of their overall strategy of not wanting anyone to be carrying, valid reason or not (not suggesting that there is such a thing as a valid or invalid reason). They just don't want people to carry, and right now they have the power to say no.

Power is something that depends on consensus. The consensus can change.

Changes can be caused by a single person. . .

Even better would be a group of people. . .