Need help - Can I sell 10 rd magazine "kits"?

[phrogg111]

I'm legally in possession of some 30 round AR magazines. Can I take them apart and sell them as "10 round magazine kits", or do I have to convert them myself? I saw that you can drill a hole and put a rivet in the magazine - that sounds permanent enough for me, but I don't have tools to do that right now.

How much would a 10 round magazine kit be worth if I were to post them up on here?

[deebix]

You don't need to mod them into a 10 round parts kit. Thats ridiculous. Just break it down to every part and sell as is. Done deal and legal. Advertise strictly as parts kit only.

[tonelar]

If theyre GI issue (eg. by OK Ind) $10-$15 per (depending on condition).

You should keep them and get a featureless AR for them.

[phrogg111]

Well, I've got... erm... a lot of them. Like more than 30. Getting an upper custom built for me that'll be guaranteed 1/2 MOA at 100 yards with good ammo, no gas block - single shot gun. I figure my PMAGs will be doing most of the shooting.

Would it be worth selling tools I make myself that are just a magnet glued to a piece of wooden dowel rod as a bullet button tool? Would you guys buy those, too? Did one with steel, stayed attatched to forward assist while firing. As well as in the bullet button. o_O Not sure about how legal that'd be on a semi auto upper.

[Chaos47]

Take the mags apart and you are good to go to sell them
As others said though if you legally own them in California it would be kinda silly to sell them

Magnetic bullet button tools are very looked down upon here... so NO.

[stix213]

Would it be worth selling tools I make myself that are just a magnet glued to a piece of wooden dowel rod as a bullet button tool? Would you guys buy those, too? Did one with steel, stayed attatched to forward assist while firing. As well as in the bullet button. o_O Not sure about how legal that'd be on a semi auto upper.

A tool that magnetically attaches to the firearm in a way to where the mag release can be actuated using the now magnetically attached tool is actually considered part of the firearm instead of being just a tool. Being part of the firearm, using one means you're committing a felony (unless of course its a featureless rifle or a .22lr, but you wouldn't be messing with "tools" anyway then).

If you are dropping a mag with a tool that is attached to the firearm, even with magnetism = illegal assault weapon (might as well have a real mag release, since you're committing the same felony anyway)

If you are dropping a mag with a tool not attached to the firearm in any way, including magnetism or even a string = legal

There are a number of threads on the topic if you want more details. Searching for "mag magnet" will probably bring you to one of them.

[stix213]

On the topic of your 30 rounders, you should keep them. Its like killing a unicorn every time one is lost in this state. But if you insist, you can just disassemble them and sell them as repair kits without any modification. There is a for sale forum on calguns where they will get scooped up if you sell them for the right price (they are cheap cheap cheap, even here usually).

[Bhobbs]

Well, I've got... erm... a lot of them. Like more than 30. Getting an upper custom built for me that'll be guaranteed 1/2 MOA at 100 yards with good ammo, no gas block - single shot gun. I figure my PMAGs will be doing most of the shooting.

Would it be worth selling tools I make myself that are just a magnet glued to a piece of wooden dowel rod as a bullet button tool? Would you guys buy those, too? Did one with steel, stayed attatched to forward assist while firing. As well as in the bullet button. o_O Not sure about how legal that'd be on a semi auto upper.

I would keep those hi cap mags. Once they go away, they are gone for good.


Also, any "tool" that is attached to the firearm is no longer a tool and part of the firearm. Using a magnet on the dowel so it stays in the BB mags it a detachable mag.

[OHOD]

This just makes my confusion over 30 round magazines, more confusing.
Why am I unable to understand the logic?
I think I might have to start a thread.

[curtisfong]

This just makes my confusion over 30 round magazines, more confusing.
Why am I unable to understand the logic?
I think I might have to start a thread.

What is the problem?

[Librarian]

This just makes my confusion over 30 round magazines, more confusing.
Why am I unable to understand the logic?
I think I might have to start a thread.

What is the problem?

Worse, why do you think there is logic?

Please don't start another magazine thread, please....

But see the sticky linked in my .sig

[phrogg111]

A tool that magnetically attaches to the firearm in a way to where the mag release can be actuated using the now magnetically attached tool is actually considered part of the firearm instead of being just a tool. Being part of the firearm, using one means you're committing a felony (unless of course its a featureless rifle or a .22lr, but you wouldn't be messing with "tools" anyway then).

If you are dropping a mag with a tool that is attached to the firearm, even with magnetism = illegal assault weapon (might as well have a real mag release, since you're committing the same felony anyway)

If you are dropping a mag with a tool not attached to the firearm in any way, including magnetism or even a string = legal

There are a number of threads on the topic if you want more details. Searching for "mag magnet" will probably bring you to one of them.

So what you're saying is, if I get a piece of string, and I tie it around the rim of a 5.56 cartridge, and then tie the other end to my charging handle, that's a felony? No. No, that's not "part of the gun" because it's tied to the gun, it's A DIFFERENT PART, tied to the gun WITH A PIECE OF STRING. That's not now "one assembly", that's a tool tied to something you're carrying so you won't drop it.

Wooden dowels with magnets attached would mean you couldn't possibly have the gun magnetically attached to the magazine release. You could stick it on to your scope, or your forward assist, or any other steel part - but you couldn't have a push-button set up. Don't care what your logic is for telling me that's bad, it's really California's assault weapon laws that are bad. Not saying we should disobey the laws, but if you HAVE an AR pattern gun, you're saying the same thing - without breaking the law.

Anyway, I figure selling 10 rd kits would be encouraging other people to break the law more than it would be destroying something good. o_O Can't believe the laws in this state. When I was active duty in Texas, I went to a gun shop, saw a .357 I liked, spent 20 minutes paying and filling out paperwork, got offered ammo with the gun, then tucked it into my waistband and left the store.

[sd_shooter]

A tool that magnetically attaches to the firearm in a way to where the mag release can be actuated using the now magnetically attached tool is actually considered part of the firearm instead of being just a tool. Being part of the firearm, using one means you're committing a felony (unless of course its a featureless rifle or a .22lr, but you wouldn't be messing with "tools" anyway then).

If you are dropping a mag with a tool that is attached to the firearm, even with magnetism = illegal assault weapon (might as well have a real mag release, since you're committing the same felony anyway)

If you are dropping a mag with a tool not attached to the firearm in any way, including magnetism or even a string = legal

There are a number of threads on the topic if you want more details. Searching for "mag magnet" will probably bring you to one of them.

Really? Let's pretend a guy with an AR decides to buy one of these pistol grips and puts a spare firing pin or a cleaning brush into it: (Magpul MIAD)


Would it really be a felony if that guy has a tool suitable for operating the bullet button? There are probably lots of people who fall into that category...

[Flopper]

So what you're saying is, if I get a piece of string, and I tie it around the rim of a 5.56 cartridge, and then tie the other end to my charging handle, that's a felony? No. No, that's not "part of the gun" because it's tied to the gun, it's A DIFFERENT PART, tied to the gun WITH A PIECE OF STRING. That's not now "one assembly", that's a tool tied to something you're carrying so you won't drop it.

Wooden dowels with magnets attached would mean you couldn't possibly have the gun magnetically attached to the magazine release. You could stick it on to your scope, or your forward assist, or any other steel part - but you couldn't have a push-button set up. Don't care what your logic is for telling me that's bad, it's really California's assault weapon laws that are bad. Not saying we should disobey the laws, but if you HAVE an AR pattern gun, you're saying the same thing - without breaking the law.

Anyway, I figure selling 10 rd kits would be encouraging other people to break the law more than it would be destroying something good. o_O Can't believe the laws in this state. When I was active duty in Texas, I went to a gun shop, saw a .357 I liked, spent 20 minutes paying and filling out paperwork, got offered ammo with the gun, then tucked it into my waistband and left the store.

You got us all wrong man, you're preachin' to the choir.

We understand what you're saying, and we feel the same way, we're just trying to keep you from going to jail because what you want to do is currently illegal.

Please read more about the current state of laws in CA and you'll start to understand what we're saying.

Welcome to Calguns!

[Sniper3142]

A tool that magnetically attaches to the firearm in a way to where the mag release can be actuated using the now magnetically attached tool is actually considered part of the firearm instead of being just a tool. Being part of the firearm, using one means you're committing a felony (unless of course its a featureless rifle or a .22lr, but you wouldn't be messing with "tools" anyway then).

If you are dropping a mag with a tool that is attached to the firearm, even with magnetism = illegal assault weapon (might as well have a real mag release, since you're committing the same felony anyway)

If you are dropping a mag with a tool not attached to the firearm in any way, including magnetism or even a string = legal

There are a number of threads on the topic if you want more details. Searching for "mag magnet" will probably bring you to one of them.

That bolded part is the key.

If the "tool" is attached IN a location that allows the bullet button to be simply pressed, it is illegal while in this state. That means items like that felony magnet should never be used here.

A bullet attached to a string is fine as long as it don't in some way become attached to the BB so that only a physical press is required.