Who you gonna call? (Excessive PPT fees)

[FXR]

If an FFL needs a little convincing that it is a misdemeanor to charge more than $35 for a PPT, (http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12082.html) who is the correct authority to call? DOJ headquarters? Local LE? The Right People?

[HowardW56]

Why don't you tell everyone who it is?

[FXR]

I'm not yet ready to make specific allegations that an FFL in my community is committing a crime, since I feel that a community with a poorly educated FFL is better than one with no accessible FFL. If a copy of the PC were to prove insufficient in this theoretical exchange, I'd like to know what agency if any is the proper one to involve.

[taperxz]

I'm not yet ready to make specific allegations that an FFL in my community is committing a crime, since I feel that a community with a poorly educated FFL is better than one with no accessible FFL. If a copy of the PC were to prove insufficient in this theoretical exchange, I'd like to know what agency if any is the proper one to involve.

Then why even say this on the premiere CA gun rights forum????? Call em out or delete your thread!!

[axel4488]

I'm not yet ready to make specific allegations that an FFL in my community is committing a crime, since I feel that a community with a poorly educated FFL is better than one with no accessible FFL. If a copy of the PC were to prove insufficient in this theoretical exchange, I'd like to know what agency if any is the proper one to involve.

Thats like saying I would rather have a corrupt greedy government instead of no government at all. DOES NOT COMPUTE

[Decoligny]

If showing the FFL a copy of the PC doesn't work, show a copy of the receipt to the DOJ. They will talk to the FFL and convince him that the PC means what it says.

[QQQ]

If an FFL needs a little convincing that it is a misdemeanor to charge more than $35 for a PPT, (http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12082.html) who is the correct authority to call? DOJ headquarters? Local LE? The Right People?

Is this a FTF PPT?

[Decoligny]

Is this a FTF PPT?

The definition of PPT is Person to Person Transfer. A PPT requires the presence of both the buyer and the seller. An out of state transfer is different than a PPT, and the FFL may charge what he likes for it.

[QQQ]

The definition of PPT is Person to Person Transfer. A PPT requires the presence of both the buyer and the seller. An out of state transfer is different than a PPT, and the FFL may charge what he likes for it.

Just makin' sure we're on the same page.

[Librarian]

It's DOJ Firearms Division; I'd give you the number, but the AG's web site is giving errors just now.

ETA - Firearms Division (916) 227-3703

[dfletcher]

I'm not yet ready to make specific allegations that an FFL in my community is committing a crime, since I feel that a community with a poorly educated FFL is better than one with no accessible FFL. If a copy of the PC were to prove insufficient in this theoretical exchange, I'd like to know what agency if any is the proper one to involve.

Interesting how he's not "poorly educated" on the side of charging too little rather than too much ....

I've dealt with more than a few FFLs on this issue and have crossed off a few LGS as a result. Be prepared for all sorts of rationalizations, side steps and lectures from the store on what you "don't know" about CA gun laws. I hope you'll return and post the results of your endeavors.

If you accept that the FFL can charge whatever he wants I suspect you have your answer as to why he does it - 'cause it works.

[FXR]

Thats like saying I would rather have a corrupt greedy government instead of no government at all. DOES NOT COMPUTE

I would rather have a corrupt government that still provides an essential service than anarchy.*(ETA to a certain extent.) Likewise, I'm not yet ready to make an allegation that could shut down one of the few people in my area licensed to legally provide this essential service. I would have no problem alerting individuals so they can take their business elsewhere, but so far I'm not to the point that I think it's worth risking destroying someone's livelihood without giving them a chance to correct the situation.

It's DOJ Firearms Division; I'd give you the number, but the AG's web site is giving errors just now.

ETA - Firearms Division (916) 227-3703

Great, thank you!

Interesting how he's not "poorly educated" on the side of charging too little rather than too much ....

I've dealt with more than a few FFLs on this issue and have crossed off a few LGS as a result. Be prepared for all sorts of rationalizations, side steps and lectures from the store on what you "don't know" about CA gun laws. I hope you'll return and post the results of your endeavors.

If you accept that the FFL can charge whatever he wants I suspect you have your answer as to why he does it - 'cause it works.

I don't accept this, hence my post - but again I don't think it merits an outing that might shutter the business without a chance to correct the mistake. The gun culture is tough enough in California - we don't need gun owners publishing the misdemeanors committed by FFLs and making access to guns even harder. I honestly think that this is a mistake on his part, and while it's unprofessional at minimum, if he accepts the PC for what it is and changes his policy, then there's no reason to make an allegation that might lead to the loss of the business, criminal charges, and maybe even loss of gun rights for a firearms-related misdemeanor. That punishment is unreasonable for a moderate over-charge.

[Seesm]

I think it is cool your not putting the FFL on blast and trying to get them to do right by you and all other possible customers. Cheers to you OP.

[bigcalidave]

Whatever cmfm.. lol.

OP, this happens a lot around here, usually the ffl gets a few calls from interested parties and they fix their behavior. Notifying the DOJ is probably a more painful experience for the ffl than hearing it from Calguns.

[PORCH]

I had a similar problem at a FFL in San Luis Obispo almost three years ago now. I tried and tried to get them to understand they were wrong but they just kept making up bs on how i wasn't reading the law right and i didn't know what I was talking about. So I finally called the DOJ and faxed them a copy of the receipt and they paid them a visit and then called me to tell me i could go pick up my money. The FFL was not very happy with me but i have no regrets, I tried my best to rectify the situation without involving the authorities.