Eventual benefit from long-gun "registration"?

[jaymz]

Seeing how serial numbers for long-gun purchases are now recorded on the DROS forms, would it be feasable to believe that rifles being melted into rebar by the truckload will eventually be a rarity? Law enforcement will no longer have the excuse that there isn't a way to track down the legal owners and return the firearms to them. I know the practice won't go away completely for various reasons, but it should be drastically reduced. Right?

[NytWolf]

The SN's are on the 4473?

[Ubermcoupe]

Seeing how serial numbers for long-gun purchases are now recorded on the DROS forms, would it be feasable to believe that rifles being melted into rebar by the truckload will eventually be a rarity? Law enforcement will no longer have the excuse that there isn't a way to track down the legal owners and return the firearms to them. I know the practice won't go away completely for various reasons, but it should be drastically reduced. Right?

[Dreaded Claymore]

Do they attempt to return handguns to their owners?

[scarville]

Do they attempt to return handguns to their owners?

Once upon on a time the police did try to return them.

[Fate]

Once upon on a time the police did try to return them.

Sounds like a fairytale.

[ja308]

Seeing how serial numbers for long-gun purchases are now recorded on the DROS forms, would it be feasable to believe that rifles being melted into rebar by the truckload will eventually be a rarity? Law enforcement will no longer have the excuse that there isn't a way to track down the legal owners and return the firearms to them. I know the practice won't go away completely for various reasons, but it should be drastically reduced. Right?

Historically registration has been used as a prelude to consfication .

Not saying it will happen in cali . Just that every serious consfiction effort has been preceded by registration -- www.JPFO.org has done some really great research on this topic and more .

[CDFingers]

I think Brown signed it to bring it in line with hand guns. I disagree with his signing it. No serial number need be stored.

If we want to argue against registration, we need to make the case that knowing where the guns are is a bad thing if citizens are going to preserve the security of a free state.

But that will hinge upon the definition of a "free" state: does it mean the citizens are free (no registration), or does it mean the state will be defended by citizens who've recorded their serial numbers? If the .gov wanted to prevent the citizens from taking the .gov by force, then recording serial numbers makes sense (the "confiscation" argument).

The question arises about whether the .gov would seek to violate the 4th Amendment in order to come git them gunz. It seems a stretch, but it bears paying attention.

I do agree that serial numbers will help with gun ID. But I think it best for the gun owner to take a pic of the gun, showing the serial number, and to keep it in a safe place. Then, god forbid, if the gun is stolen, the owner shows the pic to the cops, who then can use it to identify the gun, if they find it. I don't think it necessary for them already to have that number.

So, I find zero value in "registration."

CDFingers

[Pyrodyne]

The question arises about whether the .gov would seek to violate the 4th Amendment in order to come git them gunz. It seems a stretch, but it bears paying attention.

Do we forget Katrina so soon?

https://www.google.com/search?q=katrina+gun+confiscation

Not a stretch at all, not one bit and by no means a long shot.

[CDFingers]

The way I understand it, they went "door to door" in New Orleans. So, having an address to search without a warrant is different from going door to door. But you're correct: the 4th was violated in New Orleans in a sort of blanket way.

After that, LA passed laws, as did many other states, prohibiting the confiscation of weapons during natural disasters.

"In 2007 LaMalfa successfully passed AB 1645, a law that would prevent seizures of firearms in the event of an emergency or natural disaster. This was the first pro-gun legislation passed and signed into law in a decade. LaMalfa was named the California Rifle and Pistol Associations "Legislator of the Year".

link to wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_LaMalfa

Criminals don't obey laws, which is one reason we're armed.

CDFingers

[ColdDeadHands1]

What percentage of total handguns / long guns owned get stolen and recovered by the police in the 1st place? An infinitesimally small number. I'd rather take my chances and keep my long gun purchases unregistered than submit to our bureaucratic masters and register "for my own good".

[jamesob]

They will make no attempt to put the rifles back into the hands of a civilian.

[Cali-Shooter]

The potential for wrong far outweighs the potential for right RE: mandatory long gun registration. That's where most of the problem is.

[chris]

Do they attempt to return handguns to their owners?

Once upon on a time the police did try to return them.

Sounds like a fairytale.

in a galaxy far far away.