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  • bebe67
    Banned
    • Dec 2011
    • 42

    SB 661 Gutted great job!!!

    Senate Bill 661 is Gutted



    Thanks to the efforts of members of California Right To Carry, a California nonprofit association of Second Amendment activists, the bill has been gutted and no longer deals with firearms.

    Senate Bill 661, authored by Democrat State Senator Ted Lieu (Redondo Beach) would have expanded California's current so-called Gun Free School Zones to 2,000 feet from a K-12 public or private school.

    Which is to say virtually every urban area of the state would have fallen within a Gun Free Zone.

    The bill would have made it a crime to transport a handgun into, or out of, one's home unless his property was surrounded by a fence sufficiently tall to prevent persons from entering the property.

    Driveways would have required similar gates as well.

    In short, unless one's private property was entirely enclosed by a fence and it was located within 2,000 feet of a K-12 school it would have been a crime to transport a handgun.

    Simply transporting an unloaded handgun, locked in a case, to your automobile in your driveway or parked in front of your house would have been a criminal offense.

    Charles Nichols, President of California Right To Carry, threatened to bring a Federal lawsuit to overturn the bill if it became law.

    Mr. Nichols has already filed a Federal lawsuit seeking to overturn California's 1967 law making it a criminal offense to openly carry a loaded firearm.
    Senator Ted Lieu - The Author of the Bill



    Democrat Senator Ted Lieu was elected in a special election on February 15th, 2011 to the 28th State Senate District to fill the seat left empty by the death of State Senator Jenny Oropeza.

    Charles Nichols, President of California Right To Carry, had a brief conversation last year with Senator Lieu expressing his opposition to the bill, as well as his opposition to AB 144, California's ban on openly carrying an unloaded handgun.

    Mr. Nichols pointed out that the voter turnout in his special election was extremely light (12%) and it would only take a little over eleven thousand signatures of registered voters to force the Senator into a runoff election.

    Mr. Lieu's district office is located in the city of Redondo Beach. The entire city would have become a "Gun Free Zone" had his bill passed. The same is true of nearly every city in the district.

    In a district with nearly half a million registered voters, it would not have been too difficult to gather the signatures necessary to force Mr. Lieu into a recall election.

    Worse for the Senator, he now finds himself a victim of redistricting. He no longer has Wilmington or Long Beach Democrats to reelect him.

    Senator Lieu did not vote for final passage of AB 144, the ban on openly carrying an unloaded handgun. He abstained.

    Instead, Mr. Lieu turned his attentions to banning shark fin soup. Not to mention his ban on the use of tanning booths by persons under the age of 18.
  • #2
    HowardW56
    Calguns Addict
    • Aug 2003
    • 5901

    GIVE ME A BREAK..................
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    • #3
      dantodd
      Calguns Addict
      • Aug 2009
      • 9360

      Originally posted by bebe67
      Charles Nichols, President of California Right To Carry, threatened to bring a Federal lawsuit to overturn the bill if it became law.
      I'm sure that was it.
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      • #4
        HowardW56
        Calguns Addict
        • Aug 2003
        • 5901

        Originally posted by dantodd
        I'm sure that was it.
        The cause of the laughter coming from Ted Lieu's office?
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        • #5
          wildhawker
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Nov 2008
          • 14150

          Originally posted by dantodd
          I'm sure that was it.
          Brandon Combs

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          My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer.

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          • #6
            HowardW56
            Calguns Addict
            • Aug 2003
            • 5901

            bebe67; if you actually believe that, I have a bridge for you to buy
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            • #7
              Connor P Price
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 1897

              In similar news we have the NRA to thank for McDonald, the two decade long reduction in violent crime in our nation is thanks to the Brady's, and Al Gore invented the internet.

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              Originally posted by wildhawker
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              • #8
                OleCuss
                Calguns Addict
                • Jun 2009
                • 8004

                No need to be quite this harsh on someone who simply has what I consider to be an erroneous perspective.

                bebe67, I kinda like Mr. Nichols. But it seems pretty unlikely that Mr. Lieu paid any significant attention to what Mr. Nichols said.

                Far more likely that NRA's people had a talk with some of his fellow legislators who told him his legislation was utterly moronic and that if he pushed it any further that they were going mess with his committee assignments and maybe sabotage his re-election attempts. Any redistricting changes would just add to the relevance of the threats from above.

                Mr. Nichols is likely no more important politically than am I. And I'm pretty darned politically irrelevant.
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                • #9
                  TKM
                  Onward through the fog!
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 10657

                  SB 661 (Lieu)
                  Crime: picketing.

                  Existing law makes it a crime for a person to disturb, obstruct, detain, or interfere with any person carrying or accompanying human remains to a cemetery or funeral establishment, or engaged in a funeral service or an interment.

                  This bill would make it a crime, punishable by a fine not exceeding $1,000, imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding 6 months, or by both, for a person to engage in picketing, as defined, except upon private property, which is targeted at a funeral, as defined, during the time period beginning one hour prior to the funeral and ending one hour after the conclusion of the funeral. The bill would set forth related findings and declarations.

                  Because this bill would create a new crime, the bill would impose a state-mandated local program.

                  The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.

                  This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.

                  Strange, the bill doesn't say what you say it does.

                  Legalese can be so confusing.
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                  • #10
                    G60
                    Veteran Member
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 3989

                    It's the new anti-westboro baptist church funeral picketing bill.

                    SB888 (lieu), same thing was vetoed by governor brown last year.
                    "Any unarmed people are slaves, or are subject to slavery at any given moment." - Dr. Huey P. Newton

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                    • #11
                      six seven tango
                      CGSSA Associate
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 1725

                      Actually, as originally introduced last year SB 661 was an amendment to the GFSZ. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/...ntroduced.html

                      The bill died later in the year as seen on page 3 of this thread http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=399837

                      It looks like SB 661 has been completly re-written and re-introduced yesturday as shown here http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/...d_sen_v98.html

                      So, I guess technically, the OP is correct.
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                      • #12
                        dantodd
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 9360

                        Originally posted by six seven tango
                        So, I guess technically, the OP is correct.
                        In so much as the bill was gutted and amended to change it from an expanded GFSZ bill into an anti-free speech bill, yes, the OP is correct. As to the reason for the gutting well...... We'll have to ask Leiu why.
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                        • #13
                          taperxz
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 19395

                          Senator Lieu did not vote for final passage of AB 144, the ban on openly carrying an unloaded handgun. He abstained.

                          Instead, Mr. Lieu turned his attentions to banning shark fin soup. Not to mention his ban on the use of tanning booths by persons under the age of 18.
                          Wow, what a maverick!! CH really had this guy by the go nads!! LOL He abstained!! Went to shark fin soup and tanning booths.

                          CN, did you actually raise your voice to him about shark fin soup and tanning booths also? You know, like firearms, people have a right to eat shark fin soup and get tanned also!!!

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                          • #14
                            dantodd
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 9360

                            Originally posted by taperxz
                            You know, like firearms, people have a right to eat shark fin soup and get tanned also!!!
                            I don't know about tanned but my hide's been chapped a few times.
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                            • #15
                              six seven tango
                              CGSSA Associate
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 1725

                              Sorry, dantodd. I probably should have quoted TKM for that reply.



                              Originally posted by TKM
                              Strange, the bill doesn't say what you say it does.
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