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  • m03
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2007
    • 1908

    Contradictory ATF letter rulings under scrutiny

    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is in charge of determining whether a gun model is legal, but the agency won’t say much about its criteria.


    ...

    The ATF recommends that manufacturers voluntarily submit weapons for case-by-case determination. But those judgments are private and, it turns out, sometimes contradictory. Critics say nearly identical prototypes can be approved for one manufacturer but denied for another.

    ...
    It's about time.
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    NytWolf
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 3935

    Hmmm ... an ongoing problem that waits to surface when the most anti-2A president is in office. I would hate to have the ATF define rules with Obama as the current president. That would be scary.

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    • #3
      Curley Red
      Banned
      • May 2011
      • 1737

      Originally posted by NytWolf
      Hmmm ... an ongoing problem that waits to surface when the most anti-2A president is in office. I would hate to have the ATF define rules with Obama as the current president. That would be scary.
      Yet Obama signed a bill to allow CCW in national parks. That is scary!!!!

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      • #4
        monk
        Veteran Member
        • Jul 2011
        • 4454

        Originally posted by m03
        Maybe they forgot to send in the administrative fee along with the application?


        NRA Member
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        A tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny.

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        • #5
          m03
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 1908

          Originally posted by NytWolf
          Hmmm ... an ongoing problem that waits to surface when the most anti-2A president is in office. I would hate to have the ATF define rules with Obama as the current president. That would be scary.
          They're essentially doing that now with the various letter rulings. I think this is the start of a push towards having them conduct business in a more transparent manner (video documentation, etc.).

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          • #6
            CHS
            Moderator Emeritus
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Jan 2008
            • 11338

            Originally posted by Curley Red
            Yet Obama signed a bill to allow CCW in national parks. That is scary!!!!
            No, Obama signed a bill having to do with credit card reform that he pretty much HAD to sign and attached to that bill was the CCW rider.

            If the bill was JUST CCW in parks, he would never have signed it.
            Please read the Calguns Wiki
            Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
            --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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            • #7
              Mesa Tactical
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2004
              • 1746

              Aside from the reference to the Akins Accelerator, that article is breathtakingly fact-free.
              Lucy at www.mesatactical.com

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              • #8
                tankarian
                Veteran Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 4193

                Originally posted by Curley Red
                Yet Obama signed a bill to allow CCW in national parks. That is scary!!!!
                This BS has been discussed here at least twenty times. If you think signing a bill (attached by the GOP representatives) to the credit card reform bill makes Obama pro-gun, you're either hopelessly ignorant or just an obvious troll.
                BLACK RIFLES MATTER!

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                • #9
                  Bigtime1
                  Member
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 268

                  Originally posted by monk
                  Maybe they forgot to send in the administrative fee along with the application?
                  Small, unmarked bills only.

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                  • #10
                    OleCuss
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 7916

                    I'm not a great fan of the ATF in general, but I suspect that most of the people who work for the ATF are trying to do a good job while following the law.

                    The law may be vague (unconstitutionally so?) resulting in contradictory rulings. It just might turn out that those contradictory rulings give us a bit more advantage in our fight for civil rights than might otherwise be ours.
                    CGN's token life-long teetotaling vegetarian. Don't consider anything I post as advice or as anything more than opinion (if even that).

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                    • #11
                      monk
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 4454

                      Originally posted by Bigtime1
                      Small, unmarked bills only.

                      Is there any other way?


                      NRA Member
                      SAF Member


                      A tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny.

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                      • #12
                        advocatusdiaboli
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 5521

                        The Roster is an abomination of inconsistency in of itself. I hoep this legal tack and others are the beginning of the end for it.
                        Benefactor Life Member NRA, Life Member CRPA, CGN Contributor, US Army Veteran, Black Ribbon in Memoriam for the deceased 2nd Amendment
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                        • #13
                          Nick Justice
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2010
                          • 1985

                          How long will any inquiry really last? And how far would it go?
                          BATFE: "We're doing it right."
                          CONGRESS: "OH. OK."
                          It doesn't matter how scary, ugly, uncomfortable, or inconvenient self defense can be. Like it or not, you will never, ever be relieved of your duty and responsibility to defend your life, your family, your country and your freedom.

                          How much ammo do I need? Enough to last me the rest of my life, and then lot more for later.

                          The government does not come knocking at your door. It comes knocking down your door.

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                          • #14
                            OleCuss
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 7916

                            Issa can be fairly aggressive.

                            The Senate couldn't care less.
                            CGN's token life-long teetotaling vegetarian. Don't consider anything I post as advice or as anything more than opinion (if even that).

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                            • #15
                              CHS
                              Moderator Emeritus
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 11338

                              Originally posted by advocatusdiaboli
                              The Roster is an abomination of inconsistency in of itself. I hoep this legal tack and others are the beginning of the end for it.
                              How much does the roster have to do with the ATF again?
                              Please read the Calguns Wiki
                              Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
                              --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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