Removable Flash Suppressor on M1 Garand

[Kauf]

Can I install an M2 removable flash suppressor on my standard configured M1 Garand? How about the M7A3 launcher? Is it legal to just own these period? thanks

[Bhobbs]

It's fine. The M1 does not have a detachable mag and it's mag capacity is less than 10 rounds so you can use evil features as long as it is dimensionally legal.

[Kauf]

How about the rifle-grenade launcher attachment? Is that only illegal if installed on the rifle or is mere possession illegal?

[gunsandrockets]

Better safe than sorry

How about the rifle-grenade launcher attachment? Is that only illegal if installed on the rifle or is mere possession illegal?

Excellent question.

I have heard some outfits like the LAPD gun unit are notoriously aggressive in prosecuting just for possession of such an item. The problem is the law in question is badly written and subject to interpretation.

Of course the legal interpretation that justifies such a prosecution should at the least also justify going after the standard flash-suppressors on AR type rifles, since they technically are combination flash-suppressors and rifle-grenade launchers. And at the most also justify going after all .30 caliber rifles since the original WWI era U.S. Army rifle grenade used a tail rod which entered the bore of the rifle, no separate launcher needed!

[Quiet]

How about the rifle-grenade launcher attachment? Is that only illegal if installed on the rifle or is mere possession illegal?

Mere possession of the grenade launcher is a state felony.


Penal Code 16460
(a) As used in Sections 16510, 16520, and 16780, and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 18710) of Division 5 of Title 2, "destructive device" includes any of the following weapons:
(2) Any bomb, grenade, explosive missile, or similar device or any launching device therefor.
(4) Any rocket, rocket-propelled projectile, or similar device of a diameter greater than 0.60 inch, or any launching device therefor, and any rocket, rocket-propelled projectile, or similar device containing any explosive or incendiary material or any other chemical substance, other than the propellant for that device, except those devices as are designed primarily for emergency or distress signaling purposes.

Penal Code 18710
(a) Except as provided by this chapter, any person, firm, or corporation who, within this state, possesses any destructive device, other than fixed ammunition of a caliber greater than .60 caliber, is guilty of a public offense.
(b) A person, firm, or corporation who is convicted of an offense under subdivision (a) shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a term not to exceed one year, or in state prison, or by a fine not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both this fine and imprisonment.

[tozan]

Mere possession of the grenade launcher is a state felony.

Penal Code 16460
(a) As used in Sections 16510, 16520, and 16780, and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 18710) of Division 5 of Title 2, "destructive device" includes any of the following weapons: (2) Any bomb, grenade, explosive missile, or similar device or any launching device therefor.

I wonder how the un installed suppressor can be considered a launcher, logic would require rifle and launcher combined to be the launching device,much like a 20 round magazine must be assembled otherwise it is just parts.

Is there any case law on this???

[Kauf]

Mere possession of the grenade launcher is a state felony.


Penal Code 16460
(a) As used in Sections 16510, 16520, and 16780, and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 18710) of Division 5 of Title 2, "destructive device" includes any of the following weapons:
(2) Any bomb, grenade, explosive missile, or similar device or any launching device therefor.
(4) Any rocket, rocket-propelled projectile, or similar device of a diameter greater than 0.60 inch, or any launching device therefor, and any rocket, rocket-propelled projectile, or similar device containing any explosive or incendiary material or any other chemical substance, other than the propellant for that device, except those devices as are designed primarily for emergency or distress signaling purposes.

Penal Code 18710
(a) Except as provided by this chapter, any person, firm, or corporation who, within this state, possesses any destructive device, other than fixed ammunition of a caliber greater than .60 caliber, is guilty of a public offense.
(b) A person, firm, or corporation who is convicted of an offense under subdivision (a) shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a term not to exceed one year, or in state prison, or by a fine not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both this fine and imprisonment.

Did I mention I hate it here?

[gunsandrockets]

Felony vagueness. Welcome to Commiefornia!

I wonder how the un installed suppressor can be considered a launcher, logic would require rifle and launcher combined to be the launching device,much like a 20 round magazine must be assembled otherwise it is just parts.

Is there any case law on this???

Yep. "launching device" How vague is that?

I think I remember seeing one of those improvised munition books which described how to use an unmodified shotgun, a shotshell modified to a launching blank, and a wooden dowel rod to convert any ordinary 12 gauge shotgun into a grenade launcher. So technically all shotguns in California are also illegal grenade launchers.

[Dead*Reckoned]

WTF? is the golf ball launcher illegal here too then? I was going to get one, but i guess if I do I'll just have to leave it at my arizona home. OP, I too was looking to get a grenade launcher for my m1, so i could launch inert rounds, but guess there's no point in that.

[Dirk Tungsten]

Yeah, I think that golf ball launcher IS illegal. I think I've seen it discussed here, which is too bad, as i want one, really bad.

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

Golf ball launchers are not grenade launchers and are not prohibited. Many threads listed here.