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  • #16
    GOEX FFF
    ☆ North Texas ☆
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    • Jun 2007
    • 6220

    Sorry to be technical, but its not cc"W" when an airsoft is not a weapon. But, I digress.
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    • #17
      CSACANNONEER
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      • Dec 2006
      • 44092

      Originally posted by POLICESTATE
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      • #18
        jgraham7897
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2007
        • 682

        12556. (a) No person may openly display or expose any imitation
        firearm, as defined in Section 12550, in a public place.
        (b) Violation of this section, except as provided in subdivision
        (c), is an infraction punishable by a fine of one hundred dollars
        ($100) for the first offense, and three hundred dollars ($300) for a
        second offense.
        (c) A third or subsequent violation of this section is punishable
        as a misdemeanor.
        (d) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to the following, when the
        imitation firearm is:
        (1) Packaged or concealed so that it is not subject to public
        viewing.
        Does this cover CCW of imitation firearm?

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        • #19
          GOEX FFF
          ☆ North Texas ☆
          CGN Contributor
          • Jun 2007
          • 6220

          Originally posted by jgraham7897
          Does this cover CCW of imitation firearm?

          12556. (a) No person may openly display or expose any imitation
          firearm, as defined in Section 12550, in a public place.
          (b) Violation of this section, except as provided in subdivision
          (c), is an infraction punishable by a fine of one hundred dollars
          ($100) for the first offense, and three hundred dollars ($300) for a
          second offense.
          (c) A third or subsequent violation of this section is punishable
          as a misdemeanor.
          (d) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to the following, when the
          imitation firearm is:
          (1)Packaged or concealed so that it is not subject to public
          viewing.
          Looks like it.
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          • #20
            Mr Blu
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2011
            • 741

            This is a very interesting hypothesis, as Ubermcoupe has stated. Maybe there should be some sort of class involved in this, as part of LTC training. Go to a "campus", where everything is there for everyone to do, such as movie theaters, small shopping strip, etc.

            I know that the above spells "MONEY", but to quote jgraham, How do you get the feel for every day concealed carry if you can only practice at home? There has to be some acceptable form of "practice" outside of the home. There has to be something that someone can do as practice and/or training, without going right to carrying a firearm concealed in public.

            I am an infantryman and veteran of Iraq, but I know that when I get my LTC, I will be nervous at first, due to the nature of the carry. When I openly carried an M-16, it was part of my job and I had a purpose. The difference, is that I received training an how to do so. But with "concealed" carry, and no training on how to go about your business doing so, one must be conscience that even though YOU know you are armed, no one around you does.

            So should the situation arise that you need to draw, someone will probably freak out at the person who has been standing next to them in line at the grocers or movie theater, suddenly having a weapon in their hands.

            Carrying something new has several affects. 1) "Shiny New Toy Syndrome". The person with the new toy, it being a cell phone, jacket, sunglasses, knife, or a car, (please keep the it's not a toy comments to a minimum) they have to show it to friends. I don't plan on brandishing my firearm in public, but we have all had this experience in some form or another. I would be proud to know that I am using my rights that I have earned, but at what cost? 2) You are now heavier, bulkier, and armed with a deadly weapon. People are going to notice the first two and are going to ask what's going. How do you answer? How should you react? There needs to be training on how to handle both of those situations.

            The point I am ultimately trying to make, is that now someone is out in public with something that he/she has never been out in public with before and will subconsciously act accordingly. "Shiny New Toy Syndrome". The must be some sort of training for a person carrying concealed.

            There are schools for almost everything. Driving, medicine, mechanics, painting, math, and (within the subject matter at hand) shooting. If there is a school on how to shoot a firearm, shouldn't there be a school on how to carry one concealed in public????
            Last edited by Mr Blu; 12-18-2011, 7:57 PM.
            Originally posted by 0321jarhead
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            • #21
              jgraham7897
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2007
              • 682

              I know for myself and others that I worked with in armed or unarmed posts, I always had a habit of resting my hands on my duty belt. I am willing to bet that the same goes for having a holster IWB or OWB. I honestly don't think wearing it around the house is going to help break that habit.

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              • #22
                Fjold
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Oct 2005
                • 22786

                You're not going to get the feel of carrying unless you weight the training firearm with lead or something. With the right clothes you can conceal just about any sized handgun but what you can't change is the weight.
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                • #23
                  Fjold
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                  • Oct 2005
                  • 22786

                  You're not going to get the feel of carrying unless you weight the training firearm with lead or something. With the right clothes you can conceal just about any sized handgun but what you can't change is the weight.
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                  • #24
                    jgraham7897
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 682

                    The weight may not be the same but at least you get the feeling of having something there. On a sidenote...I have a pair of jeans that let me pocket carry my Glock 22.

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                    • #25
                      Flopper
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 1280

                      Originally posted by Mr Blu
                      If there is a school on how to shoot a firearm, shouldn't there be a school on how to carry one concealed in public????
                      There are.

                      Either way, it's not rocket surgery.

                      1. follow the FOUR RULES of gun safety
                      1. place holster on yourself
                      2. place gun in holster
                      3. keep following the FOUR RULES

                      It's a LITTLE more complicated than that. . . but not much.

                      Bear in mind I'm not picking on your post, necessarily.

                      What irks me are all these know nothings who keep insisting that all this "training" is necessary to carry a gun. BULLCRAP

                      As long as people always follow the 4 gun safety rules while carrying, I could give a crap if they're fast at drawing or good at shooting.
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                      • #26
                        Mr Blu
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 741

                        Originally posted by Flopper
                        What irks me are all these know nothings who keep insisting that all this "training" is necessary to carry a gun. BULLCRAP

                        As long as people always follow the 4 gun safety rules while carrying, I could give a crap if they're fast at drawing or good at shooting.
                        You are missing the point I am trying to get at, and I apologize for the OP for getting off topic.

                        I am not talking about faster drawing or COM shooting. I am talking about the mental process of carrying concealed, and how it can be nerve racking for people, no matter how experienced they are with firearms.

                        I am talking about training people on how to carry concealed and how to react to certain situations accordingly, not how to draw their weapon or shoot.

                        You don't just hand a 16 year old a set of keys to an Austin Martin and say, "Here you go, kid. Now go and learn how to drive." That's just stupid, because now you basically just threw away a $200,000 car, because the kid has no idea on what to do with it and is going to wreck it, or get it impounded for breaking the speed limit, etc. You give the teenager keys to an 89' Honda Civic and enroll the him/her into a driving school, so he/she can learn on how to drive properly/safely, obey the speed limits, etc.

                        You make sure that the person understands the liability of choosing to carry concealed. The liability of someone freaking out and calling the police, and the liability of one day possibly killing someone. Even with training, it takes a long time for someone to get used to the idea of possibly having to take someones life one day.
                        Originally posted by 0321jarhead
                        Accuracy is not always the rifle, its the nut behind the stock.
                        "Use the shiny toys when you have them, but never, ever forget how to do it by hand." --- SGT. David Sillick A. Co. 4-64 AR, 3ID

                        Everything is METTT-C

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                        • #27
                          Untamed1972
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 17579

                          Originally posted by Mr Blu
                          You are missing the point I am trying to get at, and I apologize for the OP for getting off topic.

                          I am not talking about faster drawing or COM shooting. I am talking about the mental process of carrying concealed, and how it can be nerve racking for people, no matter how experienced they are with firearms.

                          I am talking about training people on how to carry concealed and how to react to certain situations accordingly, not how to draw their weapon or shoot.

                          You don't just hand a 16 year old a set of keys to an Austin Martin and say, "Here you go, kid. Now go and learn how to drive." That's just stupid, because now you basically just threw away a $200,000 car, because the kid has no idea on what to do with it and is going to wreck it, or get it impounded for breaking the speed limit, etc. You give the teenager keys to an 89' Honda Civic and enroll the him/her into a driving school, so he/she can learn on how to drive properly/safely, obey the speed limits, etc.

                          You make sure that the person understands the liability of choosing to carry concealed. The liability of someone freaking out and calling the police, and the liability of one day possibly killing someone. Even with training, it takes a long time for someone to get used to the idea of possibly having to take someones life one day.
                          Alot of that is usually covered in the required training course to get your LTC. Above that I think you're overthinking things and making it into a much bigger deal in your mind that it really is.

                          Concealed means concealed. If the avg. person can plainly tell you have a concealed firearm on you then you're not doing it right, or may need to consider a change in your gear.
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                          • #28
                            jonc
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6402

                            ummmm

                            GOOD LUCK with that!!!

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                            • #29
                              dantodd
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                              • Aug 2009
                              • 9360

                              Originally posted by Mr Blu
                              You are missing the point I am trying to get at, and I apologize for the OP for getting off topic.

                              I am not talking about faster drawing or COM shooting. I am talking about the mental process of carrying concealed, and how it can be nerve racking for people, no matter how experienced they are with firearms.

                              I am talking about training people on how to carry concealed and how to react to certain situations accordingly, not how to draw their weapon or shoot.

                              You don't just hand a 16 year old a set of keys to an Austin Martin and say, "Here you go, kid. Now go and learn how to drive." That's just stupid, because now you basically just threw away a $200,000 car, because the kid has no idea on what to do with it and is going to wreck it, or get it impounded for breaking the speed limit, etc. You give the teenager keys to an 89' Honda Civic and enroll the him/her into a driving school, so he/she can learn on how to drive properly/safely, obey the speed limits, etc.

                              You make sure that the person understands the liability of choosing to carry concealed. The liability of someone freaking out and calling the police, and the liability of one day possibly killing someone. Even with training, it takes a long time for someone to get used to the idea of possibly having to take someones life one day.
                              I don't really understand such posts. What are the liabilities for inciting speech? What are the liabilities for indecent speech? Freedoms come with responsibilities. Any Concealed Carry course in CA will cover the basics about decisions and liabilities. Gunsite and a bunch of other places offer extended classes on when and how to deploy a weapon in defense of yourself or others.

                              The right protected by the 2A is not dependent upon being competent at the exercise there of. Just as people with terrible communication skills are still permitted to exercise their right to free speech.
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                              • #30
                                wazdat
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2009
                                • 514

                                Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                                Sounds like a stupid idea. If you feel you must try this, find a blue dummy gun. At least, most LEOs will quickly recognize that it is a training tool.
                                I actually did this when I got my Supertuck. It's a red gun made by ASP and has the same dimensions, weight, and balance as my loaded Glock.

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