gun flipping,,legal limits??

[stitchnicklas]

i have a potential deal for a motor vehicle and the buyer want to give me 1-2 guns plus cash for it.

i do not need or want the guns but am considering the offer because i can just sell the guns for the value i wanted ,now what are the limits to selling them immediately after acquiring them??

i have not sold any guns this year so far so i am under the 5 in a year limit for sales.

any other concerns??

[Ubermcoupe]

The less than 6 a year is probably the biggest thing to consider.

And it goes without saying that the transfers need to be through an FFL (unless they are C&R and you have a permit/or the guns are that old )

Are you going to sell them here? What kind of guns are they?

[Futurecollector]

Handguns and Long guns have different limits... Handguns, 6 a year. Long guns have no 'limit'.... so they say

[stitchnicklas]

all transfers would be done through a 01 ffl,still waiting on buyer to make a decision before i list them i must have them.

[Cokebottle]

Handguns and Long guns have different limits... Handguns, 6 a year. Long guns have no 'limit'.... so they say

+1

"Infrequent" is all that is said.


I don't think the DOJ is going to spank you over the "flipping" of two guns in a 30 day period.

[Reductio]

I don't think the DOJ is going to spank you over the "flipping" of two guns in a 30 day period.

They might not have even noticed if you didn't post a thread about it.

But everybody else here is correct about limits.

[sirgrumps]

The less than 6 a year is probably the biggest thing to consider.

Calender year or 12 month period?

[Futurecollector]

Calender year or 12 month period?

Calendar.

[dantodd]

what you intend does not make you a "dealer" nor is it, in any way illegal. Good luck selling your "motor vehicle."

[skylindrftr]

So there is a law stating that doing a PPT on handguns more than 6 times a year is illegal?

[Ubermcoupe]

So there is a law stating that doing a PPT on handguns more than 6 times a year is illegal?

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Buying_and_selling_firearms_in_California#Selling_as_a_Private_Party

There is a small limitation on the number of occasions of sales; the penal code says PPT is for "infrequent" transactions, and PC 12070 (c) says

(c) (1) As used in this section, "infrequent" means:
(A) For handguns, less than six transactions per calendar year.
For this purpose, "transaction" means a single sale, lease, or
transfer of any number of handguns.
(B) For firearms other than handguns, occasional and without
regularity.

[stitchnicklas]

so i am fine to flip then..

[Stonewalker]

And here is yet another example of how even the most good-intentioned laws can miss the mark and be completely ineffective in the real world at solving the problem said law was meant to solve.
-Mr. stitchnicklas wants to sell 2 guns.
-Selling 2 guns does not cause crime to happen.
-Selling more than 6 guns per year does not cause crime to happen. If it did, then why the hell does the CA DoJ allow FFLs to sell more than 6 handguns per year???
(It's about to get good)
-Convicting somebody of violating the law against selling more than 6 handguns per year does not STOP crime from happening. This is true for 3 reasons:
-----(1) BAD GUYS SELL GUNS TO OTHER BAD GUYS off the record, and a law against selling more than 6 handguns per year doesn't stop them from doing so.
-----(2) Bad guys without a criminal record will always be willing to do straw purchases for other bad guys who couldn't pass a background check.
-----(3) When you sell handguns you are required to go through an FFL and the buyer must have a background check done on him anyways.... so if the buyer is not a criminal THEN HOW DOES STOPPING THE SALE REDUCE CRIME???
-Mr. stitchnicklas, a good guy, is now left sweating bullets over whether or not he can legally sell these two guns. Meanwhile bad guys all over the state have transfered dozens of handguns while the DoJ is none-the-wiser.

But at least they stopped non-criminals from trading more than 6 handguns per year.... (wait for it) which was the point of that law all along. Criminals selling handguns to eachother? The DoJ knows they can't do anything to stop that, but our politicians figure they might as well win some points with anti-gun voters by passing their bull**** laws.

I should apologize to you stichnicklas, because I don't have any expertise to offer in your situation - I just felt like soap-boxing on top it. Good luck with your vehicle/gun transaction!

[Ron-Solo]

-Selling more than 6 guns per year does not cause crime to happen. If it did, then why the hell does the CA DoJ allow FFLs to sell more than 6 handguns per year??? !

California law allows dealers to sell more than six HHS a year because they are licensed as a dealer. If you are in the business of selling guns, you must be licensed. Ca law says if you sell more than six guns in separate transactions, they may consider you to be a dealer.

It's actually quite simple.

[awall919]

Handguns and Long guns have different limits... Handguns, 6 a year. Long guns have no 'limit'.... so they say

Im curious as to this will change after jan 1,2014? Isn't that when the long gun registration starts?