Another "what to do after a shoot" question

[dirtykoala]

if worst comes to worst in a home invasion, and you have to shoot to stop an intruder, what do you do until the cops get there?

my plan is to stay in my room while talking to the cops and wait, but if an intruder comes through my bedroom door threatening me with a gun and i shoot, theres a good chance he will land on my closet.

so if its in the middle of my sleep time and i am in my usual sleeping outfit, should i move the person in order to retrieve pants from my closet before the cops get there?

its obviously a good idea to leave the scene untouched, but i think its also a good idea to not try to talk to the cops while your naked.


maybe having a set of clothes under the bed would be a good idea. i just thought about that.

so i guess this thread is now more for input, and to share the idea of having a spare set of clothes somewhere that is unlikely to mess with the scene.


or... does the scene not matter? can you drag them out of your house and leave them on the steps?

[jl123]

If they ask you to come out of the house, they could get you for a sex crime if you are naked. Pants are a good idea.

[kel-tec-innovations]

Wear something while you sleep? Might also consider and earthquake. Would you want to run out your house naked in 40F and below and be stuck without clothing or shelter for 3 days or more? I suggest wearing some kind of clothes and a jacket on some kind of hanger on the door.

You stay put after you shoot an intruder, find cover. DO NOT APPROACH the intruder as they might play dead or cause you harm as you approach them. Stay behind cover and keep your distance until police or emergency crew arrives.

I think dragging a person that is bleeding all over out of your house and leaving them onto the step isn't a good idea. Unless ofcourse he was shot at your door or steps.

[jl123]

Wear something while you sleep? Might also consider and earthquake. Would you want to run out your house naked in 40F and below and be stuck without clothing or shelter for 3 days or more? I suggest wearing some kind of clothes and a jacket on some kind of hanger on the door.

You stay put after you shoot an intruder, find cover. DO NOT APPROACH the intruder as they might play dead or cause you harm as you approach them. Stay behind cover and keep your distance until police or emergency crew arrives.

I think dragging a person that is bleeding all over out of your house and leaving them onto the step isn't a good idea. Unless ofcourse he was shot at your door or steps.

Good idea about coat on hanger. A black trenchcoat would be a good idea.

[kemikalembalance]

i hope your last question was for playin around. but if you were serious, never move a body. IT IS NOW A CRIME SCENE. and detectives need to roll, possibly homicide depending on the local policies. if the person is armed and you are feeling confident that they no longer pose a threat, remove any weapons they possessed for safety reasons for you. if you are familiar with a wide variety of weapon systems, you may want to unload it. with all the respect to cops, some of them never touched a gun before the academy. they may not be familiar with them.

personally, my wife and i are staying put till the cops clear the lower floor,(if the situation is such). if a dirtbag broke in, then there is some where for the cops to get in. im quite confident in myself, but i have two kids and being a "hero" is still being around for them. i dont need to put my self into a position that i cannot control. like clearing a lower floor that is a variable when we have full control of the upper.

most important is to stay in contact with 911 so they know who you are, your description, and you family's description. And understand that if i was the cop, and you still are armed, you will be told to set your firearm down and step away. COMPLY! you can pose just as much a threat as a second burglar due to your excitement. its not to knock you, its for there safety as well as yours.
some may disagree with that statement, but ive bared witness to a good person causing a situation to go very wrong because they didnt step away.

[dirtykoala]

I was thinking that maybe you were allowed to remove the intruder. Is there any requirement that you let them stay in your home or is it just a "good idea"?

[jl123]

I was thinking that maybe you were allowed to remove the intruder. Is there any requirement that you let them stay in your home or is it just a "good idea"?

I heard you can only remove the perp if you bring him to a licensed taxidermist. May be FUD though. I heard it at a gun shop.

[5thgen4runner]

I heard you can only remove the perp if you bring him to a licensed taxidermist. May be FUD though. I heard it at a gun shop.

Lol

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[OleCuss]

You can move the person you stopped. Technically legally OK, I'm sure, if you are trying to save their life or yours.

But I think moving them is a bad idea under almost any circumstance:
1. Legally problematic. Some prosecutor is going to consider going after you for trying to cover an illegal shoot by moving the perp. Maybe you won't go to prison for it, but maybe you will.
2. Tactically very, very bad. What if the bad guy's buddy shows up while you've got your hands full of a bloody body? You are essentially defenseless. And even if you've got someone else to move the body while you try to maintain a defensive posture, the odds are pretty good that you won't be able to maintain a clear field of fire for the next bad guy to come through that door. Assuming there is only one bad guy is a bad idea.

So you shoot to stop the person trying to kill you. You hopefully are able to get someone else to call 911 while you maintain vigilance for the next bad guy. Don't try to save the bad guys life by doing anything other than calling 911. After the cops have arrived comply with their physical commands but tell them nothing other than that they were going to kill you and that you stopped them. Point out any evidence you think they might need to know about and is not immediately evident. Call your lawyer and do exactly as they say - including not talking to anyone about stuff.

Tough to do the above when someone just tried to kill you and you had to stop them with deadly force. But playing it through as a mental exercise is important.

Shoot to stop (not to kill) - center of mass. Call 911. Shut up and comply with orders and your lawyer's advice.

[Decoligny]

if worst comes to worst in a home invasion, and you have to shoot to stop an intruder, what do you do until the cops get there?

my plan is to stay in my room while talking to the cops and wait, but if an intruder comes through my bedroom door threatening me with a gun and i shoot, theres a good chance he will land on my closet.

so if its in the middle of my sleep time and i am in my usual sleeping outfit, should i move the person in order to retrieve pants from my closet before the cops get there?

its obviously a good idea to leave the scene untouched, but i think its also a good idea to not try to talk to the cops while your naked.


maybe having a set of clothes under the bed would be a good idea. i just thought about that.

so i guess this thread is now more for input, and to share the idea of having a spare set of clothes somewhere that is unlikely to mess with the scene.


or... does the scene not matter? can you drag them out of your house and leave them on the steps?

I always keep a pair of indoor/outdoor slippers, and a pair of sweatpants by my bed.

This is a good idea at all times, because you never know when you may have to leave the house in a major hurry, fire, earthquake, etc.

In the colder weather, I have a pair of quilted coveralls that I can step into and zip up. Takes about 3 seconds to be fully clothed.

I sleep in my underwear, so for modesty's sake, I make sure I have some clothing I can grab without thinking about it, just to keep the neighborhood husbands from feeling inadequate.

[kemikalembalance]

You can move the person you stopped. Technically legally OK, I'm sure, if you are trying to save their life or yours.

But I think moving them is a bad idea under almost any circumstance:
1. Legally problematic. Some prosecutor is going to consider going after you for trying to cover an illegal shoot by moving the perp. Maybe you won't go to prison for it, but maybe you will.
2. Tactically very, very bad. What if the bad guy's buddy shows up while you've got your hands full of a bloody body? You are essentially defenseless. And even if you've got someone else to move the body while you try to maintain a defensive posture, the odds are pretty good that you won't be able to maintain a clear field of fire for the next bad guy to come through that door. Assuming there is only one bad guy is a bad idea.

So you shoot to stop the person trying to kill you. You hopefully are able to get someone else to call 911 while you maintain vigilance for the next bad guy. Don't try to save the bad guys life by doing anything other than calling 911. After the cops have arrived comply with their physical commands but tell them nothing other than that they were going to kill you and that you stopped them. Point out any evidence you think they might need to know about and is not immediately evident. Call your lawyer and do exactly as they say - including not talking to anyone about stuff.

Tough to do the above when someone just tried to kill you and you had to stop them with deadly force. But playing it through as a mental exercise is important.

Shoot to stop (not to kill) - center of mass. Call 911. Shut up and comply with orders and your lawyer's advice.

+1. well said.

[Kukuforguns]

After the cops have arrived comply with their physical commands but tell them nothing other than that they were going to kill you and that you stopped them. Point out any evidence you think they might need to know about and is not immediately evident.

Bad advice. Do not tell the police you stopped the intruder. Maybe Batman rescued you using your gun, maybe your wife did. The point is, that the police do not know who stopped the intruder. If the police do not know who stopped the intruder, the state's ability to prosecute the shooter will be severely compromised.

The whole of your statement should include the following information:
1) There is an intruder in your dwelling
2) Immediate medical assistance is required at your dwelling
3) Describe yourself

When the police/emergency services arrive, identify yourself quickly.

Do not point out evidence to the police. For example, do not show them the gun you used to shoot the intruder. "That there is the gun I used to put down the varmint officer." Bad idea.

If you are naked and all of your clothes are in a closet behind the intruder, present yourself naked to the police. You will not be prosecuted as a sexual deviant. If anything, it will emphasize how defenseless and unprepared you were for the encounter and the police will be able to determine you are unarmed without having to perform a pat search.

Of course, if you have a tiny penis then you should definitely move the body to conceal your inadequacy </sarcasm>.

its obviously a good idea to leave the scene untouched, but i think its also a good idea to not try to talk to the cops while your naked.

I agree with you, it's not a good idea to talk to the cops while you are naked. The solution is easy. Don't talk to the cops.

[Meplat]

Why is it that folks always try to find a reason to move bodies? Even in a householder / LAC friendly jurisdiction, like mine, that will be looked at as highly suspicious.

[voiceofreason]

Keep a pair of old sneakers by your bed wrapped inside a plastic bag.

After an earthquake or anything else that breaks glass, you'll want something for your bare feet.

[Librarian]

Bad advice. Do not tell the police you stopped the intruder. Maybe Batman rescued you using your gun, maybe your wife did. The point is, that the police do not know who stopped the intruder. If the police do not know who stopped the intruder, the state's ability to prosecute the shooter will be severely compromised.

On the other hand, a little bit of investigation is going to show that the homeowner/resident shot someone - gunshot residue, a handgun just fired, casings on the floor, a bullet of the same caliber as the gun in the downed perp - and then your defense is going to be 'self defense'.

At that point, you must admit you actually shot the perp, but had a legally sufficient reason for doing so.

Rather than relying on the 'they don't know' expectation, 'self defense' will be aided by saying some things.

For example

Yes, I shot him.
He broke in.
I was afraid for my life.
See the knife/gun in/by his hand?

See also Mas Ayoob - one copy here: http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xdtalk-...-shooting.html

1) Point out perpetrator to police.
2) Tell police you will "sign the complaint".
3) Point out the evidence to police.
4) Point out witnesses to police.
5) Will give full cooperation in 24 hours after speaking with an attorney.