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  • mackspalding
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 27

    legal issues

    Im collaborating with a business partner about making parts for 1911s. I have all the resources and financial backing in making a successful business. But im not familiar with the legal aspect of the industry in manufacturing parts for the masses. Furthermore, I'am not a gunsmith nor an armorer. I would be making simple parts from slide stops, to beavertails machined from the highest quality bar stock.
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    CSACANNONEER
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    • Dec 2006
    • 44092

    I can't comment about this until you send me some sapmles of your proposed products.
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      mackspalding
      Junior Member
      • Dec 2011
      • 27

      Just out of curiosity, why would you need to see the product? I just need to know what legal issues I would run into when manufacturing.

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      • #4
        OleCuss
        Calguns Addict
        • Jun 2009
        • 7770

        Originally posted by mackspalding
        Just out of curiosity, why would you need to see the product? I just need to know what legal issues I would run into when manufacturing.
        He's asking for freebies/teasing you.
        CGN's token life-long teetotaling vegetarian. Don't consider anything I post as advice or as anything more than opinion (if even that).

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        • #5
          dalriaden
          Veteran Member
          • Jun 2011
          • 4556

          Originally posted by mackspalding
          Just out of curiosity, why would you need to see the product? I just need to know what legal issues I would run into when manufacturing.
          He's giving you a hard time.
          Now if you send me an extended black slide stop for my kimber I'll be happy to spend a day or two researching stuff for you.

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          • #6
            stix213
            AKA: Joe Censored
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Apr 2009
            • 18998

            Originally posted by mackspalding
            Just out of curiosity, why would you need to see the product? I just need to know what legal issues I would run into when manufacturing.
            You got him good CSA

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            • #7
              stix213
              AKA: Joe Censored
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Apr 2009
              • 18998

              Originally posted by mackspalding
              Im collaborating with a business partner about making parts for 1911s. I have all the resources and financial backing in making a successful business. But im not familiar with the legal aspect of the industry in manufacturing parts for the masses. Furthermore, I'am not a gunsmith nor an armorer. I would be making simple parts from slide stops, to beavertails machined from the highest quality bar stock.
              Big question is are you making the serialized part of the firearm, or just all the other parts? Also are you providing any assembly services, or just making the parts for sale as individual parts for the customer to assemble?

              You're going to need certain licenses to build the serialized part of the firearm or to assemble firearms for customers. Just machining the non-serialized parts for sale without assembly should give you no issues.

              (I am not a lawyer)
              Last edited by stix213; 12-13-2011, 10:11 AM.

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              • #8
                mackspalding
                Junior Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 27

                Originally posted by dalriaden
                He's giving you a hard time.
                Now if you send me an extended black slide stop for my kimber I'll be happy to spend a day or two researching stuff for you.
                I wouldnt mind sending you a prototype to get feedback. But It would be stainless.

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                • #9
                  mackspalding
                  Junior Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 27

                  Originally posted by stix213
                  Big question is are you making the serialized part of the firearm, or just all the other parts? Also are you providing any assembly services, or just making the parts for sale as individual parts for the customer to assemble?

                  You're going to need certain licenses to build the serialized part of the firearm or to assemble firearms for customers. Just machining the non-serialized parts for sale without assembly should give you no issues.

                  (I am not a lawyer)
                  I wouldnt be making serialized parts. Just slide stops and beavertails to start off.

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                  • #10
                    stix213
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                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 18998

                    Asking this question down in the gunsmithing forum might not be a bad idea too.

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                    • #11
                      mackspalding
                      Junior Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 27

                      Originally posted by stix213
                      Asking this question down in the gunsmithing forum might not be a bad idea too.
                      Good call. Thanks

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                      • #12
                        dalriaden
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 4556

                        Originally posted by mackspalding
                        I wouldnt mind sending you a prototype to get feedback. But It would be stainless.
                        Works for me

                        Good luck with your business!
                        I'm no California gun law guru but as long as you're building slide stops/beavertails/mag releases I can't think of anything off hand you should have to worry about.

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                        • #13
                          glockman19
                          Banned
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 10486

                          As far as the parts you are proposing I think you're fine...

                          But...Good question...Would machining K-baffels in and of themselves be illegal eventhough they are the intigral part of a supressor?...even if it can be used in another sound supressing application outside of firearms?..lets say power tools, leaf blowers, motorcycle mufflers?

                          Just stay away from machining any part that can turn a semi-auto into a fully auto.

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                          • #14
                            CSACANNONEER
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                            • Dec 2006
                            • 44092

                            Originally posted by glockman19
                            As far as the parts you are proposing I think you're fine...

                            But...Good question...Would machining K-baffels in and of themselves be illegal eventhough they are the intigral part of a supressor?...even if it can be used in another sound supressing application outside of firearms?..lets say power tools, leaf blowers, motorcycle mufflers?

                            Just stay away from machining any part that can turn a semi-auto into a fully auto.
                            You mean like rubber bands and shoestrings?


                            OK, back to the real question, I would assume that parts are parts and, as long as you don't manufacture receivers or take in receivers to have parts fitted, you should not need a FFL. On the other hand, you might want to look into getting a 07 FFL just for the benefits that can come with it. You might also want to contact a good firearms attorney or two just to see what types of liability your bussiness could be subject to, etc.
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                            California DOJ Certified Fingerprint Roller
                            Ventura County approved CCW Instructor
                            Utah CCW Instructor


                            Offering low cost multi state CCW, private basic shooting and reloading classes for calgunners.

                            sigpic
                            CCW SAFE MEMBERSHIPS HERE

                            KM6WLV

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                            • #15
                              glockman19
                              Banned
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 10486

                              Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                              You mean like rubber bands and shoestrings?

                              OK, back to the real question, I would assume that parts are parts and, as long as you don't manufacture receivers or take in receivers to have parts fitted, you should not need a FFL. On the other hand, you might want to look into getting a 07 FFL just for the benefits that can come with it. You might also want to contact a good firearms attorney or two just to see what types of liability your bussiness could be subject to, etc.
                              I was thinking along the lines of sears and other no no parts.

                              These are OK:





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