Georgia gun owners going for CC

[OleCuss]

I don't think it is productive arguing with Tacobandit. I believe he is on our side, but given what he has to deal with, a lot will have to change before he'll be able to approach things the way we'd prefer.

He seems like an honorable LEO - and I greatly appreciate that.

[goodlookin1]

Yes but if I have them stopped for an infraction and they have a weapon on them I have to be able to tell they are not prohibited just like I make sure they do not have any wants/warrants before I let them drive off, as an officer you are REQUIRED to arrest for all felonies committed in your presence so therefore I have no choice but to run the individual and verify they are not prohibited.

Fail.

Why stop there? Just pull every person over on the road because they might have stolen the car they are driving and need to be arrested for felony grand theft auto. They would be, after all, driving a stolen vehicle in your presence...

[Tacobandit]

No goodlookin that's a fail for a counterargument if I have stopped someone I have all ready verified through dmv that it is not stolen.

[QQQ]

sells your children on the black market dont blame the cops, blame yourselves.

I'll be mad if I don't get a good cut of the proceeds.

[goodlookin1]

He seems like an honorable LEO - and I greatly appreciate that.

Honorable? What is honorable about forcing background investigation while being detained, because of non-existant RAS/PC?

Sure, he may be a nice guy. He might even be nice as a cop. But being nice doesn't earn my respect....respecting the law earns my respect.And he is clearly attached to the status quo of trampling on citizens' rights by either unlawful search and/or detaining them without RAS/PC.

[goodlookin1]

No goodlookin that's a fail for a counterargument if I have stopped someone I have all ready verified through dmv that it is not stolen.

You're missing the point.

If you detain every person you see for having a gun and feel you must do a background check on them in case they might be a felon, then using the same logic, you should pull over every person you see driving and check to make sure that the car they are driving is not stolen, because they might be committing a felony by driving a stolen vehicle......you said it yourself: You are "REQUIRED" to arrest for all felony committed in your presence.

Better go stop all those drivers that might be driving a stolen car.

[Tacobandit]

Goodlookin- far as I know I am enforcing the laws 100% you might want the laws changed but that's just your opinion as of today anyone in ca without an LTC with a concealed weapon in public is arrestable. Your opinion is your own and I wont change it but the laws are out there and I enforce them. Do I think we need LTC reform sure but we shouldn't throw LTC out the window. Bottom line we shouldn't make it easier for felons to carry without worrying about being ran thru the system

[dalriaden]

Yes but if I have them stopped for an infraction and they have a weapon on them I have to be able to tell they are not prohibited just like I make sure they do not have any wants/warrants before I let them drive off, as an officer you are REQUIRED to arrest for all felonies committed in your presence so therefore I have no choice but to run the individual and verify they are not prohibited.

This is the difference between a CA LEO and a non CA LEO. When I was stationed at Ft. Bragg, NC I went through several DUI checkpoints with a loaded XD sitting on the arm rest beside me in plain sight. The cops never asked about it, just checked my license and registration. The only time I was asked about the firearm was when they wanted to know if I liked my TLR-2.
I'm sure you're a great LEO and I can understand your view point. I just disagree with it at a fundamental level.

In a way its like raiding houses in Iraq, many of which have an Ak in the house. However, they were allowed to have the Ak to defend themselves from Ali-Baba and that in itself didn't make them an insurgent. Just like CC doesn't in itself make everyone carrying a felon.

It would also depend on state laws on whether you have to announce you have a weapon in the car or not when stopped. My cousin and I were stopped because he was speeding and we showed the officer our LTC's and all was fine, so I can see your side of the fence as well.

[Tacobandit]

Goodlookin- seriously read and understand what I have posted your starting to look like an ***. I never said I would stop every person w a gun just to check there background I said if I legally detain someone for a crime or an infraction they are not free to leave. If during my lawful detention they have a firearm then I have to check there background before I let them leave same as ivhave to check their license to be valid before they drive off. The only diffdrence is I can't check their background from the car like I can their license. With an LTC I don't have too the DOJ did it for me. Do you get it now? Oh and by the way on an average shift I run about 200 cars to see if they are stolen. So yes I do pretty much run every car I see

[Tacobandit]

DAL- Notice how u said u showed your LTC and you we're fine? Yea that's because w an LTC the officer knows you have no criminal record.....

[dantodd]

Tacobandit. If someone has a $5,000 watch on when you pull them over do you have an obligation to seize the watch and run the serial number just in case it is stolen? It is a felony to steal a $5k watch, isn't it?

[Anchors]

Why do you have to waste more time? If you detain someone for a crime, arrest them for that crime or let them go.

How often do you detain someone, and their only crime is carrying illegally?

I can't image police in Arizona, Wyoming, Alaska or Vermont have a problem with this, or we would have read about it by now. The Bill of Rights predates police, and does not exist to make law enforcement easier.

QFT.
The cops don't sit there are run a criminal history on you.
If the only thing you're doing is carrying without a permit, they hand you your gun back (if they even took it), your license, registration, and insurance. Then they let you go.

Why would you feel the need to make sure someone isn't a prohibited person if carrying without a permit is legal? You are not obligated to do so and you are not responsible/liable if they go on to commit a crime with said firearm.
This is fact.

[OleCuss]

Goodlookin- seriously read and understand what I have posted your starting to look like an ***. I never said I would stop every person w a gun just to check there background I said if I legally detain someone for a crime or an infraction they are not free to leave. If during my lawful detention they have a firearm then I have to check there background before I let them leave same as ivhave to check their license to be valid before they drive off. The only diffdrence is I can't check their background from the car like I can their license. With an LTC I don't have too the DOJ did it for me. Do you get it now? Oh and by the way on an average shift I run about 200 cars to see if they are stolen. So yes I do pretty much run every car I see

Yeah, and if everybody wants to freak out. . .

The tech to run plates is way beyond what Tacobandit is describing. And background checks of a significant percentage of people passing certain points may become fairly routine (at what level that will happen is not at all clear yet).

Surveillance tech is much better than most people realize. Hiding is going to get much harder and there is good and bad in that.

[Tacobandit]

Dan- a watch is not federally regulated like firearms are they?? You guys stop coming up with stupid ridiculous things to compare to firearms. Firearms can not be possessed by everyone im done replying to ridiculous posts like this. As a police officer can not let someone w a firearm go until u verify they can possess it. If u let them leave and they kill someone u and the department will be liable. Not to mention do u know how devastating it would be to know u let a felon out of your custody and they go kill someone when you easily could have prevented it? Im sorry but im not going to let that happen to me because you don't want to do 8for hours of training and a couple bucks in application fees

[dalriaden]

DAL- Notice how u said u showed your LTC and you we're fine? Yea that's because w an LTC the officer knows you have no criminal record.....

Notice how I also said we announced we had weapons in the car? Felons aren't going to do that. And I dont think 5 MPH over the posted speed limit is probable cause for a car search or individual search. Felons aren't going to announce they have the weapons to a cop at a traffic stop. They are breaking the law by carrying, why are they going to follow the law that says they have to say have a weapon? A LTC is a tax on the law abiding citizen, and nothing more. It really doesn't do anything for officer safety.