GFSZ question

[m1a1driver]

Just confirming that the GFSZ locked container rule applies just to handguns? I can legally have an unloaded unlocked rifle or shotgun inside the cab while driving through a school zone right?

[stix213]

The CA version is for handguns. The Federal version is for handguns and long guns, so you would be in violation of federal law.

[CSACANNONEER]

The CA version is for handguns. The Federal version is for handguns and long guns, so you would be in violation of federal law.

Yep, of course, this applies to all GFSZs in the entire USA. So, even in Free America, you need to keep them in a lock container (not just have a lock on them).

[m1a1driver]

Ok. that is what I originally thought but several people I talked with here said it only applied to handguns. I guess they were half-right.

[Librarian]

Ok. that is what I originally thought but several people I talked with here said it only applied to handguns. I guess they were half-right.

Or thinking only of California.

[OleCuss]

Yeah, it's kind of odd stuff.

Since I have a carry license I can be carrying a loaded, concealed handgun right through a school. But if I go out my front door with an unloaded Ruger 1022 I'd better have it in a locked case (I live in a GFSZ).

It makes no sense. . .

[JasonM]

I've searched on the question below several times, and never saw it directly addressed...

What about on school grounds, ie dropping off/picking up a child on the way to the trap range? LUCC long gun is okay in that situation? Is the federal definition of a locked container more stringent than California's? For example, will a trunk suffice?

[m1a1driver]

no firearms on campus grounds. (except for the licensed exceptions). What "campus grounds" means I dont know, some people said it means the sidewalk in front of the school too...anyone know that can chime in?

[JasonM]

no firearms on campus grounds. (except for the licensed exceptions). What "campus grounds" means I dont know, some people said it means the sidewalk in front of the school too...anyone know that can chime in?

Are you referring to State or Federal law? Federal says you're exempt if the weapon is:

(iii) that is—
(I) not loaded; and
(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is
on a motor vehicle;

[JasonM]

And of course, the state statute says you're exempt if:

(2) When the firearm is an unloaded pistol, revolver, or other
firearm capable of being concealed on the person and is in a
locked container or within the locked trunk of a motor vehicle.

This section does not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful
transportation of any other firearm, other than a pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed on the
person, in accordance with state law.

So I assume having an unloaded rifle (in a locked container per fed. law) in a vehicle is lawful transportation of that firearm, regardless of being on school grounds as long as you are "underway" and not parked and outside your vehicle?

[Meplat]

I've searched on the question below several times, and never saw it directly addressed...

What about on school grounds, ie dropping off/picking up a child on the way to the trap range? LUCC long gun is okay in that situation? Is the federal definition of a locked container more stringent than California's? For example, will a trunk suffice?

According to law in CA a long gun is not concealable. So even if it is, it isn't.

[Librarian]

Gory details at the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...e_School_Zones

For K-12 there is the 1000' 'zone' where transport through the zone is OK if handgun is unloaded in a locked case, and where feds require locked case or gun rack for long guns.

Trunk is fine.

Actual school grounds are usually inside a fence, so sidewalks are usually not included.

My opinion is that drop off / pick up is OK so long as you don't park and get out - still 'transporting'.

College/university has no 'zone' but on-campus or U property is forbidden without LTC for handguns or permission from proper authority for long guns.

I think the same applies to K-12 campus, but others disagree; they argue that 'zone' includes 'campus'. The way the code is written, it very well might -- but without a case law clarification, that's too risky for me.

[m1a1driver]

OK I think I understand it now. I just need to keep all the guns unloaded in my trunk and not drive inside any school campuses\parking lots\gov't property where weapons are banned.

[Meplat]

Gory details at the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...e_School_Zones

For K-12 there is the 1000' 'zone' where transport through the zone is OK if handgun is unloaded in a locked case, and where feds require locked case or gun rack for long guns.

Trunk is fine.

Actual school grounds are usually inside a fence, so sidewalks are usually not included.

My opinion is that drop off / pick up is OK so long as you don't park and get out - still 'transporting'.

College/university has no 'zone' but on-campus or U property is forbidden without LTC for handguns or permission from proper authority for long guns.

I think the same applies to K-12 campus, but others disagree; they argue that 'zone' includes 'campus'. The way the code is written, it very well might -- but without a case law clarification, that's too risky for me.

My LTC specifically excludes school "grounds", so our sherif must think it is at least a bit murky also.

[Decoligny]

There is also the law against bringing ammo onto school property. Even with the gun locked up you can't have ammo on school grounds.