Nothing has changed. Here is why everyone needs to relax!

[tenpercentfirearms]

Come on ladies and gentlemen. Why is everyone getting so bent out of shape over this thing. Let me try and explain why everyone just needs to relax.

1. Relax, we have plenty of time.

Ok, prior to today, my best guess for a list day was next week. This thing shows us that they most likely stalling for time. They are trying to slow down lower sales while they decide what to do. They know if they list these lowers, people are just going to keep brining off-list lowers. This is most likely a slow down tactic so they can work on legislation.

Even if they list these lowers next week, you have around 80 days to let things play out and think about your options. Everyone is acting like there is some urgency tonight or something. I have heard all these stupid ideas of not registering your lower and how we have been defeated. RELAX! Nothing has changed. Did you expect the DOJ to roll over and give in? You have plenty of time, just relax and quit making stupid comments.

2. You were ready to register an assault weapon yesterday, so why wouldn't you register a 10 round fixed mag version?

Think about it. I bought a stripped FAB-10 for $323 out the door back in 2003. That rifle will never be anything but a FAB-10. Most of us are sitting on lowers that even if we are required to keep a ten round magazine in them, can be converted if you go out of state to shoot competitions or to just go shooting out of state. Fix the magazine back in them, bring them back. You will never be able to do that with a FAB-10. Say we win a court battle or a legislative battle and they are legal again or features can be added? All of you were willing to register these things yesterday, now guys are talking about burrying them and losing them in a lake. WHAT THE HECK?

Don't fool yourself into thinking they won't know you have firearms if they ever want to take them. I am a FFL and unless my shop burns down, I have all of the evidence anyone ever needed to prove you have firearms. How many of you have bought handguns in California? That information does not disapeer, they know you have them based on the DROS records that do not go away. The only bad thing about registration is when you die, you can't give it to your kids. Big deal, you are dead!

Register your guns if they force you to or send it out of state. Then wait. For the same reason I bought a FAB-10, I will keep my legal lowers. I bought a FAB-10 so I could have uppers should the law ever change. What do you know, I have stripped lowers now. If I keep the stripped lowers, I won't ever have to buy lowers if things change.

3. Nothing has changed!

Nothing has changed. Not a single thing. We knew this was a possiblity from the get go. Anyone thinking the DOJ was just going to give this to you just need to realize now they aren't. Nothing is ever free. Maybe you don't need so many lowers anymore, that is fine. Your friends need one though. Get them involved. We should be trying to get as many people to buy lowers as possible. Each person that buys a lower will have incentive to donate at least $10 to any legal funds we need to create. The more lowers brought into the state, everyone wins. The DOJ secretly loves all of this because they get the DROS money now and the registration fees later. We get to feel like we are sending a message to our liberal representatives. Keep buying lowers and everyone wins.

This notice does nothing other than prepares us for what is to come. Keep buying lowers and get your friends to buy lowers. Start trading lowers. Now there is no need for anyone to have over 3 of any one kind. Start trading them out for lowers you don't have. Get one of each kind. Turn it into a collectors project. Remember when we used to trade baseball cards? (some might still). Trade some lowers.

So there you have it. Relax and take a break. Stay off of calguns.net for a few days. There is nice weather all over the state this weekend. Go shooting. Clean the yard. Take a break from lowers and enjoy the Superbowl. Nothing is going to happen over the weekend. Enjoy your time on this planet. And quit worrying! Nothing has changed.

That is what I have to say about this craziness.

[oheckman]

+1 on this.

Besides, look at it this way...

When you enter into any judicial or legislative process, would you ask for just a reasonable settletment? NO WAY! You ask for the moon and at least have a chance of getting the exhorborant settlement but most likely receive something less. It is my opinion this is what the AG is doing. Wouldn't you! Just like we would ask for SB23 to be overturned, but we would settle, for the time being, that these lowers be listed and registered as AW's as is.

Mark

[JPglee1]

Don't fool yourself into thinking they won't know you have firearms if they ever want to take them. I am a FFL and unless my shop burns down, I have all of the evidence anyone ever needed to prove you have firearms. How many of you have bought handguns in California? That information does not disapeer,

This is the precise reason I like M1 Garands and old C&R long guns

Or if you move into the state with your legally purchased, legal to own long guns that were bought face to face...

Paper trails suck, if you DROS it, its too late...

If it does get "lost" in a lake, better fill out a lost/stolen firearm form with DOJ so you can officially deny having it if they come looking, since you lost it anyway you're not lying.


Its all a bunch of thin ice...tread carefully.



J

P.S. Im HOPING I can register my FAL and be able to take the magazine lock out.. But Im not holding my breath...

[rkt88edmo]

When in danger or in doubt, run in circles scream and shout.

[gidddy169]

I agree completely except for the nice weather all over the state. It is raining here.

[UberPhLuBB]

(Copied and pasted again, sorry)

The DOJ is going to create a new category of assault rifles based on the off-list lower model numbers, NOT on it's features. It will be just like a Category 2 assault rifle, circa 1999, only Category 4 prohibits evil features instead of allowing them. It is a specific prohibition for our specific model number rifles. That is not the same as everyone was expecting it would be, which is they add our off-list lowers to the EXISTING Category 2 list so that once registered, we could add anything we want. We can't do that now. You CANNOT have a fixed 10-round magazine rifle, you CANNOT keep it the same way it is now. Once registered, even if you have a crowned bull barrel with no flash hider, no forward pistol grip and an A2 stock, it will still have a PISTOL GRIP, which will be prohibited under Category 4 (according to the notice). Our rifles cannot be anything BUT category 4 because they are defined by model number. Do you see the problem now? I had no problem registering my lowers as Category 2 because it would have been a legitemate .223 autoloading rifle. Category 4 however, is utter bullcrap and registering them as Category 4 is the end of the rifle. It cannot exist in any functioning and legal form.

The only way around this is legal action. We cannot continue to keep our rifles even as they are, with 10 round fixed magazines.

[blacklisted]

(Copied and pasted again, sorry)

The DOJ is going to create a new category of assault rifles based on the off-list lower model numbers, NOT on it's features. It will be just like a Category 2 assault rifle, circa 1999, only Category 4 prohibits evil features instead of allowing them. It is a specific prohibition for our specific model number rifles. That is not the same as everyone was expecting it would be, which is they add our off-list lowers to the EXISTING Category 2 list so that once registered, we could add anything we want. We can't do that now. You CANNOT have a fixed 10-round magazine rifle, you CANNOT keep it the same way it is now. Once registered, even if you have a crowned bull barrel with no flash hider, no forward pistol grip and an A2 stock, it will still have a PISTOL GRIP, which will be prohibited under Category 4 (according to the notice). Our rifles cannot be anything BUT category 4 because they are defined by model number. Do you see the problem now? I had no problem registering my lowers as Category 2 because it would have been a legitemate .223 autoloading rifle. Category 4 however, is utter bullcrap and registering them as Category 4 is the end of the rifle. It cannot exist in any functioning and legal form.

The only way around this is legal action. We cannot continue to keep our rifles even as they are, with 10 round fixed magazines.

You know, that was likely a mistake in the memo. I don't think they meant that we can't have ANY evil features (they would LOSE with that interpretation, because the law says nothing to that effect). I believe that things will be the same as now and we can't have the combination of detachable mag + other evil feature.

[PIRATE14]

(Copied and pasted again, sorry)

The DOJ is going to create a new category of assault rifles based on the off-list lower model numbers, NOT on it's features. It will be just like a Category 2 assault rifle, circa 1999, only Category 4 prohibits evil features instead of allowing them. It is a specific prohibition for our specific model number rifles. That is not the same as everyone was expecting it would be, which is they add our off-list lowers to the EXISTING Category 2 list so that once registered, we could add anything we want. We can't do that now. You CANNOT have a fixed 10-round magazine rifle, you CANNOT keep it the same way it is now. Once registered, even if you have a crowned bull barrel with no flash hider, no forward pistol grip and an A2 stock, it will still have a PISTOL GRIP, which will be prohibited under Category 4 (according to the notice). Our rifles cannot be anything BUT category 4 because they are defined by model number. Do you see the problem now? I had no problem registering my lowers as Category 2 because it would have been a legitemate .223 autoloading rifle. Category 4 however, is utter bullcrap and registering them as Category 4 is the end of the rifle. It cannot exist in any functioning and legal form.

The only way around this is legal action. We cannot continue to keep our rifles even as they are, with 10 round fixed magazines.

YOU HAVE GO TO READ THE MEMO
CAT IV A NEW CATEGORY THAT COMPLIES W/ SB-23 RULES

IT WON'T FLY BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS.......HOW IS THIS NOT A FUNCTIONING RIFLE???????

[rocketboy]

I went to the DOJ site and read the announcement. I like how at the bottom they throw in that crap about not being able to have evil features. It is weird how it looks as if at the last minute somebody just put that part in for "fire and effect." In some sick way of just getting everybody freaked out. I don't see how it is even relevent to the registration aspect of it. Without some type of legislation this entire thing can't even hold up. Personally I think the DOJ is ful of Shi_! and they know it. All it is, is a cheap scare tactic that under current law is impossible to enforce. Any judge or lawyer with one year of law school can see it is not even an arguable point.

[Ratters]

(Copied and pasted again, sorry)

The DOJ is going to create a new category of assault rifles based on the off-list lower model numbers, NOT on it's features. It will be just like a Category 2 assault rifle, circa 1999, only Category 4 prohibits evil features instead of allowing them. It is a specific prohibition for our specific model number rifles. That is not the same as everyone was expecting it would be, which is they add our off-list lowers to the EXISTING Category 2 list so that once registered, we could add anything we want. We can't do that now. You CANNOT have a fixed 10-round magazine rifle, you CANNOT keep it the same way it is now. Once registered, even if you have a crowned bull barrel with no flash hider, no forward pistol grip and an A2 stock, it will still have a PISTOL GRIP, which will be prohibited under Category 4 (according to the notice). Our rifles cannot be anything BUT category 4 because they are defined by model number. Do you see the problem now? I had no problem registering my lowers as Category 2 because it would have been a legitemate .223 autoloading rifle. Category 4 however, is utter bullcrap and registering them as Category 4 is the end of the rifle. It cannot exist in any functioning and legal form.

The only way around this is legal action. We cannot continue to keep our rifles even as they are, with 10 round fixed magazines.

That is not an accurate analysis. The category 4 bs states that the new receivers must comply with SB23. With a fixed magazine it does do that. So it will be perfectly legal to keep them as fixed magazine rifles.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Re-read the law. When it says you cannot have any of the listed features, you are all forgetting that you must have a centerfire rifle with detachable magazine and any one of the following features. That is what they mean. I know their notice is a little confusing, but don't forget why we can even build them up now. It isn't that flash suppressors are illegal, detachable magazines with flash suprressors are illegal.

Again, relax. Don't get on here and start throwing out doomsday scenarios when you clearly have missed a key component of this whole thing in your rush to yell the sky is falling.

[MsJamie]

Take a break from lowers and enjoy the Superbowl.

And for those who don't like football, maybe go see a movie.

I recommend this one:

[snobordr]

And for those who don't like football, maybe go see a movie.

I recommend this one:

ah-freakin-men

[TKo_Productions]

And for those who don't like football, maybe go see a movie.

I recommend this one:

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Here, I fixed it for you:

[Gunner1]

Thanks Wes

Wes,

Nicely put, I just pried off my tinfoil hat and decided to eat pizza and have a St.Pauli Girl N.A. Everyone needs to relax a bit and look at this again in a few days. My gut feeling is that it will all go our way in a year or so..


Gunnner