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  • Lugiahua
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2011
    • 1576

    What if I rent a house...?

    Hi, I am thinking about renting a house outside, but have a few question about my firearms:

    -do I nees to tell my landlord that I have firearms?
    - can my landlord enter my unit without my permission?
    -would I commit a crime if my landlord or his/her family entered my unit, stole my weapons and use them to commit a crime?
  • #2
    rromeo
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2009
    • 6981

    I don't think you have to tell them
    They must notify you 24 hours in advance of entering.
    If you're concerned about this, rent from somebody else.
    Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again.

    - from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO
    (Revised Eastern Sect Edition)

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    • #3
      smashycrashy
      Veteran Member
      • Sep 2011
      • 2999

      Originally posted by Lugiahua
      Hi, I am thinking about renting a house outside, but have a few question about my firearms:

      -do I nees to tell my landlord that I have firearms?
      - can my landlord enter my unit without my permission?
      -would I commit a crime if my landlord or his/her family entered my unit, stole my weapons and use them to commit a crime?
      1) No
      2) Depends:
      see http://www.dca.ca.gov/publications/l...iving-in.shtml
      "WHEN CAN THE LANDLORD ENTER THE RENTAL UNIT?"
      3) Just a guess, If you stored them properly, no. If I was really worried abou this I'd ask a lawyer and not the boards.

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      • #4
        ke6guj
        Moderator
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Nov 2003
        • 23725

        [QUOTE=Lugiahua;7380002]Hi, I am thinking about renting a house outside, but have a few question about my firearms:

        -do I nees to tell my landlord that I have firearms?[quote]nothing in the PC requires it AFAIK.
        - can my landlord enter my unit without my permission?
        IIRC, only in cases of emergencies, like a burst pipe flooding the house, smoke coming out, etc. Anything else and he has to you give you notice.

        -would I commit a crime if my landlord or his/her family entered my unit, stole my weapons and use them to commit a crime?
        yes, you would probably commit a crime when you found out that your landlord stole from you
        At least I would
        Jack



        Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

        No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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        • #5
          stix213
          AKA: Joe Censored
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Apr 2009
          • 18998

          Generally they need to give 24 hour notice prior to entering. There are exceptions, like if water is flowing out your front door, the kitchen is on fire, or something similar.

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          • #6
            CHS
            Moderator Emeritus
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Jan 2008
            • 11338

            I didn't tell my landlord anything when I rented my current house, and I read and re-read my lease agreement to make sure that there was nothing firearms related in it; there wasn't.

            After we got settled in the landlord dropped by in a courtesy visit to ask how things were, if there were any problems that came up during the move, etc. I mentioned to him how it seemed as if one of the neighbors was or had been throwing trash into the previously unoccupied backyard. He made a comment like "well, you should throw some empty .45 casings back into theirs", with a smile. I think he read my license plate

            I have had ZERO issues with my landlord and we've been in the house for over a year now. They've been extremely courteous when having to enter the house (once at our request to fix a few things, once for mandatory O3 sensor installation) and guns have never, ever come up in conversation again.
            Please read the Calguns Wiki
            Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
            --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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            • #7
              smashycrashy
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2011
              • 2999

              Note, Notice != permission. You can't say no to him if he gave reasonable notice for one of the reasons noted in the handbook I posted above. This is often misunderstood and a source of friction. LL think they can go in for any reason with reasonable notice and renters think they can say no or put other restrictions on the LL entering.

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              • #8
                dantodd
                Calguns Addict
                • Aug 2009
                • 9360

                Originally posted by CHS
                (once at our request to fix a few things, once for mandatory O3 sensor installation) and guns have never, ever come up in conversation again.
                completely off topic but....

                O3 sensor or CO sensor? If O3, what jurisdiction requires that?
                Coyote Point Armory
                341 Beach Road
                Burlingame CA 94010
                650-315-2210
                http://CoyotePointArmory.com

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                • #9
                  HowardW56
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 5901

                  Originally posted by dantodd
                  completely off topic but....

                  O3 sensor or CO sensor? If O3, what jurisdiction requires that?

                  I wondered the same thing right after he posted it....

                  I know about CO sensors in the home, but a Ozone sensor?
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                  • #10
                    CHS
                    Moderator Emeritus
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 11338

                    Originally posted by dantodd
                    completely off topic but....

                    O3 sensor or CO sensor? If O3, what jurisdiction requires that?
                    Originally posted by HowardW56
                    I wondered the same thing right after he posted it....

                    I know about CO sensors in the home, but a Ozone sensor?
                    ACK. CO sensor.

                    That's what I get for posting within seconds of leaving work for the day. Heh.
                    Please read the Calguns Wiki
                    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
                    --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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                    • #11
                      mdimeo
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 614

                      Originally posted by Lugiahua
                      -would I commit a crime if my landlord or his/her family entered my unit, stole my weapons and use them to commit a crime?
                      If your gun wasn't locked up with an approved safety device, and a minor (landlord's kid) gets it and misuses it, *and* you had reason to believe the minor might be in there (e.g. landlord frequently brings his kid to hand him tools or whatever), you've got an issue.

                      Otherwise, no, not normally.

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                      • #12
                        nrgcruizer
                        Member
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 423

                        I'm a landlord. My renter has a CCW aka LTC. I'm not required by law to check her CCW. So I'm going to keep it simple. I tell her to keep it locked up (meaning inaccessible to me, or children in the household) and away from plain sight view.

                        My suggestion is for you to find a pro-2A landlord. Plenty of us out here.

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                        • #13
                          Carnivore
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 1813

                          A landlord can ask what ever they like but you don't have to answer anything you don't want to. Don't expect to get the place but that is how things work. As a landlord myself I don't ever ask because I don't care. Then again I don't live with the person (rent rooms of such). I did have to kick a person out because they kept walking around outside with a gun and the neighborhood was complaining. The cops busted him once but he had more then one hand gun. Last I heard he was on a 5150 hold so I think it was a good choice in the long run.

                          I can go into a house with 24 hour notice but I can't take anything owned by the renter out of the house with out permission. I can't go though their drawers or closet etc unless it is for a specific reason like fixing a closet rod or water damage etc. Personally I never like going in to the house unless the person is home but a few times I didn't have a choice.

                          The rest has been covered perfect by others.
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                          • #14
                            Lugiahua
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 1576

                            so guess if I am not certain about my landlord's stance on 2-A,
                            should simply say no idea/not interesting if he/she asks about firearms?

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                            • #15
                              Hopalong
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 2436

                              I have a couple of rentals, I am a landlord.

                              I don't expect anyone to tell me they have guns, and I don't ask.

                              I only want two things from a tenant

                              Pay the rent on time, and take good care of the house.

                              Believe me, I'm more worried about your dog, than if you have guns.

                              24 hour notice to enter, unless an emergency

                              If someone steals your guns, report them stolen.

                              I can't imagine a landlord stealing someone's guns.

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